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To: techguerrilla who wrote (45937)5/12/2004 4:54:18 AM
From: bacchus_ii  Respond to of 89467
 
Blair faces leadership revolt as abuse crisis deepens
By Toby Helm and George Jones
(Filed: 12/05/2004)

Tony Blair was struggling to avoid a collapse of confidence in his leadership last night as Labour MPs denounced his alliance with President George W Bush and the chaotic handling of allegations of abuse against Iraqi prisoners.

Labour backbenchers said contradictory statements from ministers and signs of a lack of grip at the highest levels of Government during a time of crisis had sent morale lower than at any point since the conflict began.

Labour MPs are furious with Tony Blair over the handling of the abuse claims
The sense that Mr Blair was becoming dangerously isolated was reinforced when Jack Straw, the Foreign Secretary, used far stronger language than the Prime Minister to condemn the way US soldiers had abused Iraqi detainees.

Mr Straw said the International Committee of the Red Cross had exposed "evidence of appalling and disgusting human rights abuses in Abu Ghraib prison for which there is and there can be no excuse."

He said he was in "active discussions" with Washington about the damage caused to the US-led coalition in Iraq.


The impression of disarray within Government was increased when Downing Street, the Foreign Office and the MoD became mired in controversy over whether Britain's envoy to the Coalition Provisional Authority in Baghdad at the time, Sir Jeremy Greenstock, had even read the Red Cross document alleging abuse of prisoners.

No 10 and Geoff Hoon, Defence Secretary, had insisted Sir Jeremy had seen the Red Cross dossier, but Mr Straw told MPs he had not.

Mr Straw said the report containing accusations of abuse by US forces had not been passed to Sir Jeremy, but was seen by his legal adviser.

"A copy was subsequently received in the British Foreign Office. With the benefit of hindsight it should have been made available to ministers but it happens it was not," Mr Straw said.

Downing Street later sought to blame the Red Cross for the fact that Mr Blair and other ministers had not been told about the abuse of prisoners by the US forces.

Mr Blair's official spokesman said the Red Cross's rules of confidentiality meant information about the actions of the US authorities could not be passed on to British ministers.

As complaints about British forces were already being dealt with, officials decided not to tell Mr Blair about the more damaging allegations about US troops.

Downing Street refused to state whether Mr Blair knew about the allegations of mistreatment by US forces before they were disclosed on both sides of the Atlantic.

However, officials appeared anxious to protect Mr Blair from any suggestion that he might have turned a blind eye to accusations of abuse by US forces because he is already facing mounting criticism in the Labour Party for being too close to President Bush.

Labour MPs, including many who reluctantly backed the conflict, are furious with Mr Blair over the handling of the abuse claims. Both Labour and Tory members expressed incredulity over the suggestion that ministers were "kept in the dark" about such an important report.

Mr Hoon told MPs on Monday that the report had been passed to the UK in confidence by the US head of the coalition administration, Paul Bremer, in February. Copies went to Sir Jeremy and Permanent Joint Headquarters (PJHQ) in Northwood, west London.

Officials there decided that as all the issues relating to British forces had already been dealt with, the report did not need to be referred to ministers. Sir Jeremy, who left Baghdad at the end of his initial posting, has denied any knowledge of torture in Abu Ghraib prison. Downing Street yesterday confirmed he had not informed Mr Blair "that this cloud was on the horizon".

In a letter to the Tory deputy leader, Michael Ancram, last night, Mr Straw said Mr Bremer and officials from Sir Jeremy's office received the ICRC report at a meeting with Red Cross officials on Feb 26.

The meeting was reported to London in a classified telegram from Sir Jeremy's office. "It was signed 'Greenstock' in the usual way that telegrams are signed by heads of mission. I understand, however, that Jeremy Greenstock was not himself at the meeting," Mr Straw said.

There was further controversy over whether Adam Ingram, the armed forces minister, should apologise to MPs for telling them last week he had seen no adverse reports about British forces in Iraq.

Amnesty International yesterday published a report claiming 37 Iraqis - including a girl aged eight - had been killed by British forces when they posed no threat to them.

The organisation said it had sent a dossier on alleged abuses to the MoD last November and received an acknowledgement from Mr Ingram.

The news of the beheading of an American hostage came after Mr Straw had faced anxious questioning in the Commons from MPs concerned that the British and American Governments were losing grip of the situation in Iraq.

Although the horror at such an atrocity may ease the immediate pressure on Mr Blair by focusing attention on the brutality of the insurgents in Iraq, it may provide further ammunition for Labour critics of the war.

They have warned that the allegations of mistreatment of Iraqi detainees could be used as an excuse by the coalition's opponents to escalate violence in Iraq with revenge attacks against British and US soldiers and others involved in reconstruction.



To: techguerrilla who wrote (45937)5/12/2004 6:04:13 AM
From: Wharf Rat  Respond to of 89467
 
Right on, bro.

Rat



To: techguerrilla who wrote (45937)5/12/2004 11:43:08 AM
From: elpolvo  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 89467
 
ché-

I hold every goofball who voted for him back in 2000
responsible for the ludicrous current situation in Iraq.


that's a bit harsh. he presented a completely
different picture of his agenda during his
campaign. who knew?

however, now that it's known, the responsibility
rests with everyone in congress and every citizen
of the u.s. to voice their objections to his policies
and remove him from office.

i just wish there was a good, smart woman to replace
him with <g>.

(i added the <g> because a preposition is not a
proper thing to end a sentence with <g>.)

-ep



To: techguerrilla who wrote (45937)5/12/2004 2:42:17 PM
From: one_less  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 89467
 
"I can't believe that the Senate's bipartisan approach is to see this ridiculous adventure through to some kind of sensible end."

The regime of Saddam H. has been defeated ... by us. If you walk out now, leaving the country without security and without a unified national system of government ...YOU are personally responsible for the blood bath that would be inevitable and for placing the future into the hands of the most powerful tyrant that would inevitable rise to power in the region. The new regime would inevitably be more powerful, more international, and a magnet for a world wide Al-Quaida type of organized movement.

YOU have a responsibility to support a sensible resolution to this matter... To claim it is not our business is tantamount to neglect at the best... with devastating consequences for sure.



To: techguerrilla who wrote (45937)5/16/2004 12:31:51 AM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 89467
 
Would a Pullout from Iraq be more Chaotic Than This?
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The Case Against US-British Withdrawal doesn't Stand up to Scrutiny

by Jonathan Steele

Published on Friday, May 14, 2004 by the Guardian/UK

Can the American occupation of Iraq be sustained any longer? In the wake of the prison horrors revealed at Abu Ghraib, has the time not come for a serious debate on the immediate withdrawal, not just of British forces, but of the 150,000 US forces as well?

The worldwide shockwaves from the torture pictures are political as well as moral. Outrage is prompting calls for radical change, which Donald Rumsfeld's sudden trip to Baghdad no doubt is intended to block. In the US, Richard Holbrooke, a strong contender to run the state department in a Kerry presidency, calls the scandal "the most serious setback for the American military since Vietnam". Wesley Clark, the former Nato commander who ran in the Democratic party primaries, puts the prospect of pressure leading to an early end to the US mission as "better than 50-50".

In Iraq, according to Ahmed Fawzi, spokesman for the UN envoy, Lakhdar Brahimi, who is currently helping to select an Iraqi government: "Everyone we have spoken to has raised the issue. They feel humiliated."

For many Iraqis the pictures show something even worse than torture. They reveal pornographic sadism. "I knew prison abuse was happening," says Fateena Hamdi, a Baghdad university professor I rang the other day. "But I couldn't imagine it was being done for amusement."

It was clear from the earliest days of the occupation, as the late UN envoy Sergio Vieira de Mello argued, that sovereignty is the key to security in Iraq, and the occupation itself is the major source of instability. Even among Iraqis who welcomed the invasion, the presence of foreign forces quickly created resentment and suspicion. As long as there was no date for the troops to leave, Iraqis feared the US only wanted long-term military bases, and their oil. Many saw no choice but to resist the US, if necessary by force.

US troops also became a magnet for every kind of radical Islamist group, Iraqi and foreign. "We thank the Americans for two things," a Wahhabi sheikh told me with a smile in Baghdad last month. "They liberated us from Saddam so we can operate freely. They also created the conditions for us to resist them in our own country instead of having to go abroad."

Late last year Washington got part of the point, and the current timetable was set for appointing an Iraqi government and transferring sovereignty on June 30. But the plan was flawed since the US insisted on keeping its forces in Iraq even after June. As the date approached, more and more Iraqis grew angry over the limits to the sovereignty being transferred, since the US intends to keep control of security and even have the right to command the re-emerging Iraqi forces.

Then came the appalling use of excessive force in Falluja, which highlighted a developing mountain of evidence that the way US troops behave in Iraq creates more enemies than it eliminates. Their skills as peacekeepers are minimal. In more benign postwar environments such as Bosnia and Kosovo they have functioned reasonably, but at the slightest hint of hostilities they over-react and over-kill.

One solution canvassed by several commentators has been for the UN and the new Iraqi government to have oversight over US forces, or else to reduce their numbers significantly by bringing in Arab League or European troops. Holbrooke now shares that line, according to the New York Times, which says he believes the Bush administration must concede the US presence in Iraq is illegitimate and illegal in the eyes of the Arab world, and turn affairs over to the UN.

Iraqi and Arab reaction to the prison abuse horrors suggests that even this position may have become untenable. The time has come for Americans and their allies to ask the most searching question: what would happen if they left? The standard answer, even among countries like France which opposed the invasion, is that there would be "chaos".

That can no longer be taken for granted. We need to define that term and ask whether it would necessarily be worse than the chaos caused on a daily basis by the occupation forces' behavior. Vague talk of instability is no substitute for a proper assessment of the threats Iraq faces.

Externally, there are none. Its neighbors have no claims on Iraqi territory; nor is there a sign that any might intervene by force, except perhaps Turkey in the case of an irredentist future Kurdistan.

Iraq's threats are internal. But are they demonstrably more acute than those facing other Arab states, none of which - with the exception of Lebanon - harbors foreign forces with a mandate to maintain internal security. Why should Iraq be unique in needing outside forces?

The existence of political militias in Iraq is a serious problem, and the occupation forces' failure to disband them in the first weeks after reaching Baghdad is another mark against Washington. They are not yet as powerful as the regional warlords' armies which the US and its allies have equally failed to disarm in Afghanistan, but they could start clashing with each other. Since last year new militias such as Moqtada al-Sadr's Mehdi army have been allowed to emerge.

The best way to deal with them is not by military force, as the US is trying in Najaf and Sadr City, but by incorporating the best of their cadres into the new Iraqi security structures and finding political avenues for their bosses' rivalries. That means the promised early elections. Restoring the leadership of the former Iraqi army (minus proven torturers and war criminals) would be another step which could restore national pride, reduce Iraqi resentment, and deny legitimacy to the militias, if it is done before June 30.

Sectarian clashes between Sunnis and Shias are often mentioned as a lurking menace, but Iraq's modern history has no such record - the leaders of both communities have been scrupulous in mobilizing community support against them. Ethnic tensions between Arabs and Kurds are a greater danger, since attitudes in the disputed cities of Kirkuk and Mosul can easily be roused at both the popular and the elite levels.

There might be a case for a temporary deployment of foreign forces in these areas, though not from Turkey or any Arab state, since they would not be seen as impartial. The Iraqi national army might be one-sided, unless (another urgent priority) Kurdish officers are soon given high-command posts.

These scenarios need to be fleshed out. But as the miseries of Iraqis under occupation multiply, the burden of proof is increasingly on those who claim that pulling foreign troops out of Iraq would be worse than keeping them there. Playing on the bogeymen of "chaos" and "a security vacuum" can no longer go unchallenged.

© Guardian Newspapers Limited 2004

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