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To: unclewest who wrote (43899)	5/12/2004 2:07:55 PM
From: LindyBill	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793881

The missing parts of the chain of command and the civilian interrogators have all of them. What I have read indicates that these people have been interrogated, said, "I saw nothing," and are getting off with reprimands.

To: unclewest who wrote (43899)	5/12/2004 2:15:47 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Respond to of 793881

The chain of command does not go from private and low ranking NCO to 2 star general to Undersecretary of The Army. That is not how it works, yet that is what is being portrayed to us. Doesn't it depend on WHICH chain of command is responsible for oversight and control over the activities which occurred in that segregated part of the prison? We all know about compartmentalization of information and it's my impression that such interrogations would have been classified and all of those MPs instructed not to speak to anyone in the MP chain of command about what they were doing in there. And even in the MI chain of command, one would assume there some level of compartmentalization, and this is something that we need more information, as well as who was responsible for setting the classification policies for that interrogation mission. Unraveling the MI chain of command on that mission, and why they were using (assumably) uncleared MPs as attached support elements to carry out their mission, is certainly going to be another issue. If anyone had info on what was going on, it would be the MI side.. And you can be sure that any investigation on that side is not likely to be publicly discussed. Plus every unit uses a duty roster...surely they available. They should have, granted.. But it sounds like these folks were operating in their own little world, segregated from the general guard force and prison population. Not having one, or having a running log of daily activities and access rosters would certainly be a security violation. But, once again, that would be on the MI side. Finally we have to get to the civilian interrogators. They too should have time records of their work. The six court-martials should not take place unless the civilians can be interrogated and be called by the defense as witnesses. The probably are only keeping track for DOD accoutability purposes via online time-keeping links. And those are not generally specific, but rather merely documenting 8 hours on this day, and 8 hours on the next day.. and so on.. The contracts they likely operated under probably fixed price contracts, based upon a salaried pay scale which was direct deposited into their bank accounts. Thus, time sheets, detailing what specific time involved what specific mission tasking, was likely not kept. At least, I would be surprised if it did. The six court-martials should not take place unless the civilians can be interrogated and be called by the defense as witnesses. I'm sure that will be an issue, as will be any evidence that those MPs were placed under operation command of civilians not answerable to UCMJ (although they are to Federal statutes). Time line is the key and we can develop that easily. Digital cameras have a date stamp. The photos were computerized and e-mailed. The timeline of many of those photos, from what I understand, are not in dispute. Most date from last November. The question is what use those photos were put to... Lyndie England is stating that they were taken on bequest of a Psyops unit, so one has to ask whether those photos were passed on and used to intimidate other prisoners. A very key question, but once again, compartmentalized on the MI side which is classified. The final straw to me is a report that I read that a three star had visited and found nothing amiss. What a joke. As did Paul Wolfowitz.. And I believe both were accompanied by reporters. But once again, they would have been prevented from actually speaking to prisoners within that cell-block, based upon classification.. We are seeing privates, stars, undersecretaries, and the SecDef. Nobody has any answers. Well, I think we all know that Rumsfeld, and especially some of the senior commanders in the AO stepped on their tally-wackers by not taking into account the political ramifications of these photos when first notified and briefed about them.. It's an honest question as to why the CID/JAG didn't briefed Abizaid on the certain inflammatory nature of those photos, should they make it into the public. As you said, lots of questions left to answer. But unfortunately, I don't see too many of them being answered in public. But once again, those soldiers knew what they were doing was wrong (or should have). They should have known what the repercussions would have been of having their faces associated with those photos, once distributed.. Hawk