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To: Lane3 who wrote (44562)	5/15/2004 11:06:02 AM
From: LindyBill	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 793718

I wonder if he means this move to be for the willing or for everyone in the class.........And how is a program for the feds to provide housing for the homeless "conservatism"? Perhaps I didn' read carefully enough. If means the "willing." You sell it to a hard head like me on the basis of, "look, like it or not, we are going to help this type of people. The cheapest way out is to give them a roof and food stamps. We eliminate hiring the do-gooders at 40K a year to tend their sores. They are willing to take it because they don't have to put up with the tyranny of the Social Workers. And we get the satisfaction of knowing that we cut down on the employment of Social Workers." The welfare industry doesn't like it because it cuts a lot of them out of the loop.

To: Lane3 who wrote (44562)	5/16/2004 2:47:11 AM
From: D. Long	Respond to of 793718

I wonder if he means this move to be for the willing or for everyone in the class. For the willing. It hasn't been possibly to lock someone away like that for years, if they don't pose a danger to themselves or society. That's been part of the problem. The hospitals and halfway houses can't force them to stay against their will. They can literally sign themselves out of the ward or halfway house. This is a case where legal paternalism is, IMO, actually warranted. Most of these cases don't even realize they are sick. They literally can not make a rational choice. There is a movement called "assisted outpatient treatment" that is essentially forced court ordered medication of the mentally ill, to get them cogent enough to help themselves, and monitor them to make sure they don't relapse. That skirts the edges of what I would accept. And how is a program for the feds to provide housing for the homeless "conservatism"? Perhaps I didn' read carefully enough. Because it costs as much or less than the current system, and helps get them off the street and into a modicum of self-reliance. The current social welfare system is seen by many conservatives and libertarians as not a solution, but a system that perpetuates the problem. Derek