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To: LindyBill who wrote (44667)	5/15/2004 10:32:38 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793845

Hersch is taking a terrible risk as a journalist if he doesn't have the goods. And the strange thing is that he's pretty much always had the goods. He's been uncanny, and I've assumed that he had some Deep Throat in the Pentagon, or maybe several. If it turns out to be true, Bush is done. I wouldn't vote for him, might work against him, depending on how high up it went. There's simply no way to know at the present time. Unfortunately, what he's written is plausible. When intelligent people say things like "in the event of another attack like 9/11 we need to remove all Muslim Arabs from the US" and other intelligent people saying like "the only thing Arabs understand is superior force" -- sadly, what Hersch outlines is plausible.

To: LindyBill who wrote (44667)	5/16/2004 4:09:05 AM
From: KLP	Respond to of 793845

Pentagon Denies Report's Rumsfeld Claims 53 minutes ago Add White House - AP Cabinet & State to My Yahoo! news.yahoo.com NEW YORK - Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld authorized the expansion of a secret program that encouraged physical coercion and sexual humiliation of Iraqi prisoners to obtain intelligence about the growing insurgency in Iraq (news - web sites), The New Yorker reported Saturday. The Defense Department strongly denied the claims made in the report, which cited unnamed current and former intelligence officials and was published on the magazine's Web site. Pentagon (news - web sites) spokesman Lawrence Di Rita issued a statement calling the claims "outlandish, conspiratorial, and filled with error and anonymous conjecture." The story, written by reporter Seymour Hersh, said Rumsfeld decided to expand the program last year, broadening a Pentagon operation from the hunt for al-Qaida in Afghanistan (news - web sites) to interrogation of prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison in Baghdad. Seven soldiers are facing military charges related to the abuse and humiliation of prisoners captured by the now-infamous photographs at the prison. Some of the soldiers and their lawyers have said military intelligence officials told military police assigned as guards to abuse the prisoners to make interrogations easier. According to the story, which hits newsstands Monday, the initial operation Rumsfeld authorized gave blanket approval to kill or capture and interrogate "high value" targets in the war on terrorism. The program stemmed from frustrating efforts to capture high-level terrorists in the weeks after the start of U.S. bombings in Afghanistan. The program got approval from President Bush (news - web sites)'s national security adviser, Condoleezza Rice (news - web sites), and Bush was informed of its existence, the officials told Hersh. Under the program, Hersh wrote, commandos carried out instant interrogations — using force if necessary — at secret CIA (news - web sites) detention centers scattered around the world. The intelligence would be relayed to the commanders at the Pentagon. Last year, Rumsfeld and Stephen Cambone, his undersecretary for intelligence, expanded the scope of the Pentagon's program and brought its methods to Abu Ghraib, Hersh wrote. Critics say the interrogation rules, first laid out in September after a visit to Iraq by the then-commander of the prison for terror suspects at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, amounted to a green light for abuse. Defense Department officials deny that, saying prisoners always are treated under guidelines of the Geneva Conventions. "No responsible official of the Department of Defense (news - web sites) approved any program that could conceivably have been intended to result in such abuses as witnessed in the recent photos and videos," Di Rita said in his statement. "This story seems to reflect the fevered insights of those with little, if any, connection to the activities in the Department of Defense." Di Rita also said Cambone has never had any responsibility for any detainee or interrogation programs. The intelligence sources told the magazine photos of the sexual abuse were used to intimidate prisoners and detainees into providing information on the insurgency. It was thought that some prisoners would do anything — including spying on their associates — to avoid dissemination of the shameful photos to family and friends. One intelligence official said the CIA ended its involvement with the program at Abu Ghraib prison by last fall. "They said, 'No way. We signed up for the core program in Afghanistan — pre-approved for operations against the high-value terrorist targets — and now you want to use it for cabdrivers, brothers-in-law, and people pulled off the streets,'" the source said.