To: Wayners who wrote (23235 ) 5/16/2004 8:36:52 PM From: E. Charters Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 81568 Well, the US maltreatment in Abu-Garib (sp) is typical of maltreatment in ALL its domestic prisons. There is nothing new here. What is new is the revelations about it. All investigations into US and Canadian prisons is a whitewash. But wait, isn't their a TV Special about a women's prison in California where they raped prisoners routinely? Oh yes. It was not a great movie, but hey! it was a true story. Isolated incident I guess. Does the US behead prisoners as a terror tactic or in retaliation? Well Israel kills both in retaliation and pre-emptively. Let's not ask who started that one. Did the US ever kill civilians knowingly in war? In Germany at the end of WWII, the US army is held accountable by the West German government for the disappearance and/or murder of 2 million civilians in allied (not Russian) held territory. This is a fact. And ignored fact but a fact. Yes, we know the Germans killed civilians too. The amazing fact is the Russian and Allies probably killed more!! Estimates are as high as 7 million, not counting by bombardment. It has long been known that the US army is a poorly controlled and poorly disciplined force, with low humanitarian standards of treatment of civilians and captives. Just ask the Vietnamese. Ask the Germans. Oh, I forgot, the enemey always lies, and anyway they are always more cruel than we are. Or are they? I wonder. I did studies in psychology in University and read many paper on the captor complex. What has been found is that captors have a tendency to ALWAYS torture and mistreat captives if they are led to believe it is part of a necessary process. "Nice" people who are introduced to torture processes and ordered to punish people in interrogation will routinely inflict agony upon captives with absolute alacrity. These people do suffer from the same post traumatic stress after they are removed from the situation, the same as the captives. How does one overcome the tendency to maltreat people in your captivity? It takes the most assiduous application of the practice of self restraint. The tendency to inflict abuse when the power in one's hands is overwhelming and the ability to hold back can only be cultivated by the most thoughtful and considerate persons. It may be the very essence of wisdom to do so. EC<:-}