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To: alan w who wrote (37389)5/18/2004 8:44:00 AM
From: Emile Vidrine  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 39621
 
"that is hate mongering. You quote passages that were written when???? Thousands of years ago?"

Greg uses deceitful sophistry to defend his idol--Talmudic Judaism. He implies that passages written 1000-1500 years ago obsolete and cannot be used to understand to understand the hateful anti-Christian beliefs of modern Judaism. If the age of these passages invalidates them, then Greg clearly implies that old documents are simply not permissible to prove our points. Then how can Greg turn around and use the 2000 year old documents in the New Testament?

It is pure hypocrisy. Greg knows better but was just parroting the arguments used by his Jewish idols--Jordan and rruff. That's called collaboration with the enemies of Christ and his Christian Church.

So you see nothing wrong with Greg logic? Once you start collaborating with the collaborators, reason, logic, integrity and truth become disposable.

As far as his quote of scripture, it was misused in an attempt to judge and condemn the truths that I speak about antichrist Talmudic Judaism and Israel. If we take Greg's verse about our fruits and apply it to Ziochristian collaborators, what do we get:

The fruits of the Christian-Zionist theology and collaborations with the antichrist rabbis are:

1. They encourage the Jewish people to believe that they are chosen without receiving the Lord Jesus Christ. Every Jew who resists the Gospel because he believes in Greg's false theology of salvation by race (Jews are chosen because they are the genetics of Abraham) is an act of hatred and antisemitism.

2. Greg commits the ultimate antisemitism by encouraging Jews to HOPE in a geographical kingdom of God rather than the Kingdom of God established by Christ. THE HOPE OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE IS JESUS AND THE ANTICHRIST NATION OF ISRAEL IN THE MIDDLE EAST. There is no greater hatred than telling the Jewish people that there is not need for Christ since they already are God's chosen because of their racial-genetic relationship to Abraham.
These abominable lies produce fruits of death for the Jewish people.

3. Greg joins becomes a collaborator with the pseudo-priesthood of rabbis in deceiving the Jewish people and making them believe that salvation comes through the teachings the rabbis in the Talmud rather than by God's Messiah--the Lord Jesus Christ.

4. Christian-Zionist collaboration with Talmudic Judaism and Zionism produced the fruits of colonization and war against the Christian and Moslem population of Palestine.
They help the antichrist Zionist Jews rob and murder Christian Palestinians (the true Israel of God) to establish and antichrist government )kingdom in the Middle East. Greg collaborates with the antichrist to persecute the Christian Palestinians.

There is much more evil fruit that comes from Christian-Zionism---much more than can be exposed in this short message.



To: alan w who wrote (37389)5/18/2004 8:50:24 AM
From: Emile Vidrine  Respond to of 39621
 
Forgotten Christians

Not all displaced Palestinians are Muslims.

By Anders Strindberg

Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ" is playing to full houses in the Syrian capital Damascus. Watching it here turns out to be much the same as watching it on opening night in New York-customarily rowdy moviegoers observe a reverent silence, the usual sound of candy wrappers is replaced by sobbing and gasping, and, at the end of it all, the audience files out of the theater in silence and contemplation. Many of those watching the movie on this occasion are Palestinian Christian refugees whose parents or grandparents were purged from their homeland --the land of Christ-- at the foundation of Israel in 1948. For them the movie has an underlying symbolic meaning not easily perceived in the West: not only is it a depiction of the trial, scourging, and death of Jesus, it is also a symbolic depiction of the fate of the Palestinian people. "This is how we feel," says Zaki, a 27-year old Palestinian Christian whose family hails from Haifa. "We take beating after beating at the hands of the world, they crucify our people, they insult us, but we refuse to surrender."

At the time of the creation of the Israeli state in 1948, it is estimated that the Christians of Palestine numbered some 350,000. Almost 20 percent of the total population at the time, they constituted a vibrant and ancient community; their forbears had listened to St. Peter in Jerusalem as he preached at the first Pentecost. Yet Zionist doctrine held that Palestine was "a land without a people for a people without a land." Of the 750,000 Palestinians that were forced from their homes in 1948, some 50,000 were Christians-7 percent of the total number of refugees and 35 percent of the total number of Christians living in Palestine at the time.

In the process of "Judaizing" Palestine, numerous convents, hospices, seminaries, and churches were either destroyed or cleared of their Christian owners and custodians. In one of the most spectacular attacks on a Christian target, on May 17, 1948, the Armenian Orthodox Patriarchate was shelled with about 100 mortar rounds-launched by Zionist forces from the already occupied monastery of the Benedictine Fathers on Mount Zion. The bombardment also damaged St Jacob's Convent, the Archangel's Convent, and their appended churches, their two elementary and seminary schools, as well as their libraries, killing eight people and wounding 120.

Today it is believed that the number of Christians in Israel and occupied Palestine number some 175,000, just over 2 percent of the entire population, but the numbers are rapidly dwindling due to mass emigration. Of those who have remained in the region, most live in Lebanon, where they share in the same bottomless misery as all other refugees, confined to camps where schools are under-funded and overcrowded, where housing is ramshackle, and sanitary conditions are appalling. Most, however, have fled the region altogether. No reliable figures are available, but it is estimated that between 100,000 and 300,000 Palestinian Christians currently live in the U.S.

The Palestinian Christians see themselves, and are seen by their Muslim compatriots, as an integral part of the Palestinian people, and they have long been a vital part of the Palestinian struggle. As the Anglican bishop of Jerusalem, the Reverend Riah Abu al-Assal has explained, "The Arab Palestinian Christians are part and parcel of the Arab Palestinian nation. We have the same history, the same culture, the same habits and the same hopes."

Yet U.S. media and politicians have become accustomed to thinking of and talking about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict as one in which an enlightened democracy is constantly forced to repel attacks from crazy-eyed Islamists bent on the destruction of the Jewish people and the imposition of an Islamic state. Palestinians are equated with Islamists, Islamists with terrorists. It is presumably because all organized Christian activity among Palestinians is non-political and non-violent that the community hardly ever hits the Western headlines; suicide bombers sell more copy than people who congregate for Bible study.

Lebanese and Syrian Christians were essential in the conception of Arab nationalism as a general school of anti-colonial thought following the collapse of the Ottoman Empire at the beginning of the 20th century. During the 1930s, Hajj Amin al-Hussein, the leader of the Palestinian struggle against the British colonialists, surrounded himself with Christian advisors and functionaries. In the 1950s and '60s, as the various factions that were to form the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) emerged, some of the most prominent militants were yet again of Christian origin. For instance, George Habash, a Greek Orthodox medical doctor from al-Lod, created the Arab Nationalists' Movement and went on to found the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. Naif Hawatmeh, also Greek Orthodox, from al-Salt in Jordan, founded and still today heads up the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine. Among those better regarded in the West, Hannan Ashrawi, one of the Palestinian Authority's most effective spokespersons, is a Christian.

In fact, over the decades, many of the rank and file among the secular nationalist groups of the PLO have been Christians who have seen leftist nationalist politics as the only alternative to both Islamism and Western liberalism, the former objectionable because of its religiously exclusive nature, the latter due to what is seen by many as its inherent protection of Israel and the Zionist project.
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