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To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (46198)	5/18/2004 12:03:08 PM
From: malibuca	Respond to of 50167

I was puzzled why you suddenly became so antagonistic towards me. It finally dawned on me that this response of yours Message 20139734 combined with a couple of our exchanges regarding Hersh and US/Israeli plans pretty much tells the story. You take exception to what you view as derogatory remarks that I have made regarding Pakistan and what IMO is the minor role that US views for Pakistan in the future. This comes across in your several remarks. You seem bothered by my analogy regarding Pakistani troops actions during the secession of Bangla Desh. There were allegations of atrocities, including rape, against the people of Bangla Desh by Pakistani troops but more to the point, I used that example because the person I was addressing in my response is/was from that country. Next, you are obviously upset at Hersh's allegations regarding US/Israel plans to secure Pakistan's nuclear weapons if the situation in Pakistan warrants. When I said that I thought it was entirely credible that there were such plans - irrespective of Bush's denials - you said people like me are undoing the good that Bush was doing. I also stated - entirely speculation on my part - that India could well participate in such an effort, if invited to do so by the US. You are aware, I assume, that Israel and India have been cooperating on areas of mutual interest. I also asserted that longer term US strategic and economic interests are with India and that the alliance with Pakistan at this juncture is merely one of convenience give the war on terrorism. You may want to review this link pertaining to US/Israel/India cooperation. payk.net There are other instances of increased cooperation. Here are a couple more: milligazette.com nyu.edu Then you use the word "Paki" in your response to me - a word that I understand to be derogatory. You seem to think that I am denigrating your country and that is not the case. I am offering you one person's perspective. You really should try and learn more about the neo-cons and their agenda - and I say this respectfully. Bush's motivations with regard to Iraq and the Middle East are very different than that of the neo-cons but he is a convenient instrument when it comes to achieving the goals of the neocons. You have this compartmentalized view that the neocons' goals when it comes to Iraq, Syria, Iran, etc can in some way be separated from their view of other Muslim nations - and you are quite mistaken.

To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (46198)	5/18/2004 6:04:00 PM
From: IQBAL LATIF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 50167

She has gained political immortality.; A new Gandhi emerging..closing the door on provincialists..<Sushma Swaraj meets President to protest Gandhi becoming PM (Updated at 1515 PST) New Delhi: Senior BJP leader Sushma Swaraj, who has strongly opposed Congress President Sonia Gandhi becoming the Prime Minister, today met President A P J Abdul Kalam and expressed her "pain and anguish" over the issue. Emerging from a 30-minute meeting, Swaraj announced to resign in protest. Swaraj said she was determined to carry out her resolve to tonsure her head, wear white clothes, sleep on the floor and eat only roasted grams if Gandhi takes over as Prime Minister. "I cannot withstand crowing a foreigner as the Prime Minister of my country," she said dismissing suggestions that her party was not with her.> Sonia Gandhi rejects appeals to reconsider decision to bow out (Updated at 2300 PST) NEW DELHI: Sonia Gandhi on Tuesday rejected appeals from MPs of her Congress party to reconsider her decision not to seek India's prime ministership. Congress members made more than three hours of speeches, some tearful, urging her to reconsider but Gandhi refused to budge. "I have listened to your views, your pain and anguish on the decision I have taken. I am aware that I am causing anguish to you but I think if you trust me, allow me to take my decision," the 57-year-old Gandhi said. Gandhi, the Italian-born widow of former premier Rajiv Gandhi, had faced staunch protests by Hindu hardliners who were against having a foreign-born prime minister. Emotional Congress MPs forced party leader Pranab Mukherjee to change a party statement that would have asked Gandhi to submit another name for prime minister. Instead, the statement called for Gandhi to reconsider. Some MPs said they would rather resign than not be led by Gandhi, who engineered a come-from-behind defeat of the Hindu nationalist government. MPs disrupted Gandhi when she tried to speak or slumped in their seats. In the southern territory of Pondicherry, local Congress lawmakers threatened to resign in bulk if their party president did not change her mind. Congress member Mani Shankar Aiyar, in a choking voice, told the meeting at the Indian parliament that voters had identified the party with Gandhi. "We have been saying that a vote for us is a vote for Sonia Gandhi. The inner voice of the people of India says that you have to be prime minister of India. Can we move forward without you?" Aiyar asked. Party spokesman and newly elected MP Kapil Sibal told Gandhi: "We have faith in you and no one else." "In India, you are the only woman who has not bowed down to them, and (have) struggled against them with honesty, sincerity and determination," he said of the defeated Hindu nationalist government. Incoming Congress MP Renuka Chowdhury broke down while urging Gandhi to change her mind, saying she should not surrender to the "machinations" of the Hindu nationalists. Delhi University political analyst Anand Ojha said Gandhi's decision would strengthen her influence within Congress, which ruled India for 45 years but has been out of power since 1996. "It would be seen as a noble deed which would actually help to stablise a foetus government and increase her influence within the party," Ojha said.