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To: E. T. who wrote (188772)	5/18/2004 5:54:39 PM
From: TigerPaw	Respond to of 1573952

Who were elected in response to Arafat's terror. I don't think Israel ever recovered from the assasination of Rabin. The country began to unravel at that point. It took a few years to unravel to the point of crisis. TP

To: E. T. who wrote (188772)	5/18/2004 7:59:50 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1573952

"Nor for the Israeli leadership." Who were elected in response to Arafat's terror. While Hamas and the rest are more like brown shirt thugs, killing their own people whom they disagree with, celebrate and laugh about the killing of children. What issues from their lips is generally quite vile. Martyrdom and revenge are words of hate, nothing built on those principals lasts forever. Brighter more open and conciliatory minds will prevail in the end. Sorry.......Hamas are not well bred middle class citizens like you and I and most Israelis. Can't help it if they express publicly what the Israelis only think. We are going over familiar ground.....I'm afraid you don't listen very well. Hamas and the Palestinians have lost everything......they have little to lose at this point so they will do whatever it takes to get what they want. Israelis have everything to lose. When you have two disparate sides who are terribly committed, disaster probably is imminent........and that disaster will hurt Israel a lot more than it will hurt the Palestinians.

To: E. T. who wrote (188772)	5/18/2004 10:18:58 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1573952

<font color=brown> Do you really think this is winning the hearts and minds of the Palestinians? I know the Israelis know it isn't.<font color=black> ******************************************************** Children among 20 dead as Israeli army begins huge crackdown on Rafah Chris McGreal in Rafah Wednesday May 19, 2004 The Guardian Israeli forces attacked Rafah refugee camp yesterday at the start of an operation to crush Palestinian armed resistance, before a planned fresh wave of house demolitions. The army killed at least 20 people, including children, one of the highest death tolls in a single day of the present intifada, as it occupied the Tel al-Sultan district on the margins of the camp in preparation for an expected assault on the heart of Rafah. Early this morning, Israeli armour also began moving into the west of the camp, near the al-Brazil area. Extended gunfire was heard but there were no immediate reports of casualties. Palestinians fear much greater bloodshed, however, once the Israelis attack areas of Rafah where resistance is usually stronger. Hamas and Islamic Jihad fighters, buoyed by inflicting some of the worst casualties of the intifada on Israeli forces in Gaza last week with attacks on two armoured troop carriers, promised the people of Rafah they would defend the camp house by house with guns, mines and grenades. "The occupiers will not advance and they will not destroy us. Last week we showed that the Israelis are not as invincible as they think they are," said an Islamic Jihad commander in the camp who declined to give his real name. Many Palestinians were bracing themselves for a long and bloody battle yesterday. With more than 100 tanks and armoured vehicles and thousands of troops mobilised for Operation Rainbow, the Israeli press has likened it to the army's 2002 assault on the West Bank. Operation Defensive Shield resulted in widespread destruction and death in Jenin, Nablus and other cities two years ago. Defence officials were quoted as saying the assault would last for several days as troops worked their way through the camp. The army has sealed off Rafah from the rest of Gaza. Yesterday, most shops were closed and families living in the path of the expected Israeli advance moved into Rafah town, or sent their teenage sons away for fear they would be arrested or shot by the army. Abed al-Karim Albalawi, 45, and his son, Ibrahim, were killed by an Israeli missile outside a Tel al-Sultan mosque. Mohammed Nawajha was wounded in the attack. From his bed in Rafah hospital, he said: "I heard the missile, which left a lot of people dead and wounded. When we ran to help there was a second explosion and I was hit in the head, my legs, all over my body. I was lucky because my friends got me to an ambulance but many were left behind. "I don't understand why they did it. The Israelis had already occupied the area, there was no resistance and people were going to the mosque to pray. They want to kill anyone." The Israeli army said the missile attack was launched after men were spotted planting explosives near the mosque, and that at least 11 of those killed yesterday were fighters. The army chief of staff, General Moshe Ya'alon, said the assault on Rafah is intended to destroy tunnels used to smuggle weapons under the border from Egypt. guardian.co.uk