To: DOUG H who wrote (6686 ) 5/19/2004 3:13:45 AM From: Elroy Jetson Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 116555 Here's the difference between Rist and Friedman. Both see the deflationary period, but interpret it differently. Rist and Schumpeter believe deflation is a normal event in a growing economy and certainly does not need to be stabilized or interfered with. It results from lowered production costs through efficiency and results in lowered debt through reduced borrowing and bankruptcies of inefficient producers and increases available capital through higher interest rates from money scarcity. This brings supply and demand back into balance, but based on greater efficiency. This is Capitalism's "creative destruction" Schumpeter wrote about. The lowered debt levels provide the basis for a renewed expansion of the economy. Friedman believes deflation signals demand is below economic potential so increasing the money supply, by lowering interest rates and loosening borrowing standards, will bring demand up to supply stabilizing prices. When the economy strengthens (from who knows what cause) you remove the excess money by raising interest rates before "inflation happens". I think as you will see, Friedman's monetary policy is very effective in stabilizing panics but it's disastrous in stabilizing a deflation. The Fed represents the interests of the banks and so choose Friedman's approach of "stabilizing" deflation before it erodes the value of loan collateral causing bank losses. Rist and Schumpeter, although both are dead, correctly forecast the outcome of Friedman's plan. In short this "stabilization" creates a far worse problem. First, the excess money and expanding debt, while stabilizing general prices, cause wild speculative bubbles in investments such as stocks, bonds, and real estate. Secondly, this does not correct the economic imbalances signaled by deflation. Debt levels expand dramatically rather than decline. Marginal producers can borrow new cheap money to remain in business, weaken efficient competitors, and mis-allocate capital into expanding surplus supply. Third the reduction of returns on capital discourage capital formation. Because of these factors there is no recovery. Spurts of tax-cuts or even lower interest rates provide short-lived recoveries on the road to further ruin. Eventually interest rates can't be made lower. Asset prices collapse and so does demand. You now get the down-turn which should have originally occurred, except magnified many-fold. As Schumpeter said,"policy does not allow a choice between depression and no depression, but between depression now and a worse depression later: inflation pushed far enough would undoubtedly turn depression into the sham prosperity so familiar from European postwar (WW-I) experience, and would, in the end, lead to a collapse worse than the one it was called in to remedy. For recovery is sound only if it does come of itself. For any revival which is merely due to artificial stimulus leaves part of the work of depressions undone and adds, to an undigested remnant of maladjustment, new maladjustment of its own which has to be liquidated in turn, thus threatening business with another worse crisis ahead" This is where I believe we're headed. Japan started before us. Although their interest rates are zero and mortgage rates are 2%, real estate prices have been declining for 14 years while general prices rise. home.pacbell.net Stock prices are heavily manipulated but they have also collapsed without significant recovery. In the harshest perspective, I don't think Milton Friedman is a Capitalist, in spite of what he would like to believe. He represents the Monetarist system which depends on a strong banking and debt creation system. It is the antithesis of Capitalism, a centrally-planned economy run by money fiddlers.