To: Doren who wrote (576750 ) 5/19/2004 4:00:09 PM From: one_less Respond to of 769670 "Better off to not get ourselves into idiotic no win situations in the first place. boing: True aaaah: Judge disqualifies statement for using false logic. Iraq is not a no win situation."We should be on an energy conservation path. Not an ever more gluttonous path. " boing: true"The money saved and invested will make us stronger." boing: true"As we avoid war and prolifigate spending they would impoverish themselves and grow weaker." aaah: false That is where we are now and as you can see the poor and weak often hate the rich and powerful for no particularly just reason(ever hear of covetousness). There are power hungry liars and thieves who prefer to capture wealth by destroying and pillaging free and passive cultures. Attempting to avoid bullies and Empire builders only emboldens them. Begin with the least agressive intervention to stop heignous brutality and when that fails, raise the bar, diplomacy, sanctions, and ultimately when a violent clash is the only remaining effective means to stand up to injustice... stand up. "We have a bigger danger facing us. A country of a billion people who are industrializing at a rapid pace and copying our technology. They are catching up as we begin to lag in technology. The will absorb us if we are not careful. They are beginning to use energy at the same rate we are complete with SUVs. Their usage will accelerate. And soon other 3rd world countries will begin to use energy. Huge countries like India and China." aaah: nope The challenge is to technology and need not be a threat to us unless we are to lazy to unite with world thinkers to come up with proper solutions. Although, we could easily find ourselves clashing and fighting over limited resources...if we fail to take responsibility for the real problem. Think, invent, use our collective minds to create a better world. fossile fuel certainly is not the solution."Every engineer we have designing tank systems is an engineer taken away from automobiles, or solar or other systems that strengthen our balance of payments with the world. " Aaaah: sorry Two different problems. Each are important."If you look at this long term, it's obvious, energy will be our Achilles heel ... Not will be... IS This is not so much a problem of who is president but what we as a world of collective minds can do with our abilities and talents... Stop blaming and get to work, education, research, development....