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To: Ilaine who wrote (45925)	5/20/2004 10:12:18 PM
From: Dayuhan	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793963

I saw the picture of Sabrina Harman (might have the name wrong) flashing that big toothy grin and the big thumbs-up over a dead Iraqi this morning. Unbelievable. That will do more damage than I can calculate, and I can't begin to imagine what punishment would be appropriate. Not a whole lot better than the beheading crowd. They should try her for treason, or sabotage, or some such thing. Better yet, tuck her into a little black evening dress and send her into Fallujah to negotiate. This morning's news here featured a US State Dept. report critical of the Philippine human rights record. The response, of course, was along the lines of "who are you to talk". Some heads need to roll (possibly an inappropriate metaphor, but good enough). That won't be good enough, but it's a start.

To: Ilaine who wrote (45925)	5/20/2004 11:59:22 PM
From: bela_ghoulashi	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793963

Well, that's a pretty good example of the issue I'm raising here, at least. To say that "Abu Ghraib is an inevitable part of war", which I never said, has nowhere near the same meaning as "the events at Abu Grhraib are an essential part of American warfare", which I never said either. You're not arguing with me, you're arguing with something else, some amorphous, disembodied attitude that is not mine. What I said was: "it appears that since Abu Ghraib you've decided you no longer want to be associated with any of this." Now that things have gotten tough and dirty and events have happened that are distasteful and difficult to swallow, suddenly you're up in arms against people you previously seemed in general agreement with: Message 20144982 Now you seem to immediately believe the worst of others you once got along with, you're putting the most contentious possible construction on the things they say, and you're accusing them of viewpoints that patently distortions of what they really hold to. Again, something's changed, and to me it just seems very sudden and very jarring. But I'm just a casual, sometime observer. I don't get it, I don't understand it, but I've valued your posts and your input enough that my first reaction was concern. And that's the only reason I've brought it up.