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To: carranza2 who wrote (46053)	5/21/2004 11:17:35 AM
From: Sam	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793955

Where was the Western media's moral outrage when King Hussein did to the Palestinians things that the Israelis don't even contemplate? Where was the Western media's moral outrage when Assad flattened a city in a fit of pique, killing thousands of innocent civilians?... Where was the Western media's moral outrage when Saddam gassed Kurds and Iranians?... Where is the Western media's moral outrage when the Saudis decapitate and mutilate their own?...Where is the Western media's moral outrage over what is taking place in the Sudan? Where was almost any govt's outrage over these things? As Peter Galbraith wrote in his recent article in the NYRB, the Reagan admin not only expressed no outrage over Saddam gassing Kurds, they studiously tried to ignore it. That isn't to "excuse" the media, they have an important role to play and ought to play it. But govts have a responsibility too. Focusing on the media without including culpability of govts is wrong. But, personally, I agree with Steven's larger point. We like to clothe ourselves in a standard of virtue. And frequently do or support actions that are remote from that standard, actions that are claimed to be virtuous but are actually done to promote American business interests and have little to do with what we overtly claim. This will inevitably antagonize both the parties to whom the actions are done and third party onlookers.

To: carranza2 who wrote (46053)	5/23/2004 8:45:25 AM
From: Mary Cluney	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793955

<<< Where was the Western media's moral outrage when King Hussein did to the Palestinians things that the Israelis don't even contemplate? Where was the Western media's moral outrage when Assad flattened a city in a fit of pique, killing thousands of innocent civilians? Where was the Western media's moral outrage when Saddam gassed Kurds and Iranians? Where is the Western media's moral outrage when the Saudis decapitate and mutilate their own? Where is the Western media's moral outrage over what is taking place in the Sudan? I'll tell you where it is: MIA.>>> What does any of that have anything to do with what we do? It's like if you were living next door to Charles Manson and Jeffrey Dahmer, and your daughter gets busted for prostitution and your son steals a neighbor's car. Go tell the judge that your daughter did it for some extra spending money and all your son did was go for a joy ride. Tell the judge all about what Charles Manson and Jeffery Dahmer did or are doing. Would it make you feel better to know that Charles Manson and Jeffery Dahmer did far worse than what your son and daughter did? Do you really need the media to compare Manson/Dahmer crimes to your kids'? Would it change anything for your family whether Manson/Dahmer got caught or not - or exposed or not? What does one have to do with the other? It is about the standards that you set for your family For me and my family it would be entirely the standards that we set for our family that is the most important - as important as life itself.

To: carranza2 who wrote (46053)	5/23/2004 9:12:52 AM
From: zeta1961	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793955

<<Where was the Western media's moral outrage when King Hussein did to the Palestinians things that the Israelis don't even contemplate?>> Excellent points C2 and Nadine...I read more than I have the time to keep up with posting here...I learn and appreciate the courage of people exressing their differing POV's C2...to add to your list...where was/is the Western medias moral outrage when they kidnap and do the unthinkable acts to our soldiers(Jessica Lynch) and civilians taken hostage? And for here in the USA...where is the Western medias' outrage when children both in urban 'inner cities' or suburban cities are killed or kill eachother... This has bothered me for years...pre911, preIraq/Aphganistan... Why the media does not use its influence and muscle...there have been 'bursts' as in the Columbine murder...recently, a troubled adolescent in a small upstate town attempted a similar act...in Boston, the murders of an adolescent, and that of a pregnant woman received soundbytes at first, then was relegated deep into the local section of the Boston Globe...while attention magnified to how bad we are in Iraq... IMO,two wrongs actions do not either cancel eachother out but clearly there are scales of worse or less worse... IMO, the Western media's moral outrage and print and attention they are receiving can be better more fairly distributed to the daily, moral outrage of what's also going on HERE... edit: of course, imo, legit questions must be asked re: our inability to stabilize Iraq in the past year and our behaviour... But to trump this in the media, and in our homes above our local issues is wrong...I do not hear Kerry talking about violence, drugs and how they've decimated OUR communities....I can go on...but will stop here... edit#2...I wonder if Ted Koppel thought of doing a segment naming and showing pictures of every child homicide victim in our country last year...?? The child advocate in me is 'out' in force today... Zeta