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To: Lane3 who wrote (46094)	5/21/2004 1:24:14 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793964

May I point out that they kidnapped lots of people (including Nick Berg) and killed the Italian policeman before the Abu Ghraib scandal broke? What was their motivation then? They hate modernity and want to drive it out of the Mideast. They say so. They hate the US and Israel most of all. They will use whatever ammo they can get. Did Abu Ghraib change one single thing about them, except the wording of their statement?

To: Lane3 who wrote (46094)	5/21/2004 1:24:31 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793964

I really don't buy into the "us vs. them" mentality that leads to attempting to find equivalence between Arab X killing Americans Y and Z, and Americans A and B killing Arab C. It's not algebra. These are human beings. Human beings are volitional individuals, not forces of nature. Nadine has been pushing the "why don't they get mad at other Arabs" rap for as long as I've known her. That's fine, she's entitled to her opinion, but I don't think of Arabs as "them" and I don't think of all Americans as "us." My opinion is that how a person who looks like you treats other people is irrelevant to how I treat you. I don't care what "Arabs" do to "Arabs." I care about you, the individual I am interacting with. Similarly, I don't believe you should treat me as "them." I am not Lynndie England. I reject her and everything she stands for. I will not stand beside her. She is not one of "us", nor is her boyfriend. She is entitled to due process of law, and all the other rights that Americans have, don't get me wrong. I just reject her from the circle that I call "us." Now, you could argue that this won't keep an "Arab" from treating me as he wishes he could treat Lynndie England, and I would respond that I have no control over his behavior. I control my behavior, and through the force of law, I act through my agents. The agents who prosecute Lynndie England I consider to be acting on my behalf. Lynndie Endland was hired to act as our agent, and she did things that I do not condone. She was a bad servant, on a frolic of her own. Yet, legally we are responsible for our actions, because she was inadequately supervised. We are negligent, but not morally cupable, unless we condoned her actions. The people who killed Nick Berg were not my agents, nor were they the agents of "Arabs" in general. They, too, were volitional individuals, responsible for their own acts.