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To: Sig who wrote (133867)	5/22/2004 9:23:14 AM
From: jttmab	Respond to of 281500

The problem here is that if we set the interrogation rules, and print them in the Newspapers, the guilty party then knows exactly what is going to happen and he will never have to confess because nothing bad will happen if he doesn't. In the case of the US criminal system. I assume most people in the US know what the interrogation rules are for police interrogation. Yet, there are still a lot of confessions. One can use "logic" to conclude that the police in the US should stop dusting for fingerprints at crime scenes...Who doesn't know that police can take fingerprints and that for a pittance, a criminal can get a pair of latex gloves? Therefore, it's obvious that there are no fingerprints at crime scenes, other than those of innocent people. jttmab

To: Sig who wrote (133867)	5/22/2004 9:26:42 AM
From: h0db	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

To the contrary, most evidence indicates that the prison investigation is a cover up to pin the blame on "six or seven bad apples" while studiously ignoring the orders, procedures, and deliberate changes in US prisoner policy that allowed the abuses to happen. To me, the least troubling abuses are the ones shown in the photographs released so far. The systemic abuses by the President, the White House counsel, the Secretary of Defense and his underlings like Cambone, Wolfowitz, and Feith led to widespread violations of the Geneva Convention are far more troubling. Bush and his Boyz built the case for war on a foundation of lies. They relied on "intelligence" from Chalabi for evidence that Iraq represted an imminent threat to the United States and the West by virture of mass stocks of WMD and ties to international terrorism. It has all come unraveled. There are no WMDs. There are no links to terrorism. Bush has admitted this. And now US forces are raiding Chalabi's headquarters. Knowing the thinking now of the chickenhawk neocons, this is probably a clumsy attempt to give Chalabi credibility by enabling him to denounce his erstwhile US backers. Looks like they tipped him off to make sure they wouldn't find anything: "One of Chalabi's advisers said Friday that INC officials received advance notice of U.S. plans to search the INC intelligence building and removed their computers weeks ago. The adviser, Francis Brooke, said "nothing of any intelligence value" was recovered in the raids." washingtonpost.com The Bushies bought into Chalabi's bullshit because they wanted to believe they could engineer long term security for Israel. Their actions border on treason; they put Israeli security above the truth, US interest, and American lives.