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To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (46259)5/22/2004 2:58:41 PM
From: malibuca  Respond to of 50167
 
There is no contradiction whatever.

Perhaps it is your inadequate command of the English language that makes it difficult for you to comprehend what should be obvious to most people.

Musharaff has made bold strides especially after the assassination attempts against him but he talks a better game than is apparent in his actions.

You stated that yourself in the editorial that you highlighted as indicating courage as is not seen in the Islamic world and posted on this thread.

I presented specific actions that had been taken that showed an ambivalence to dealing with terrorism. Negotiating with terrorists is not a viable strategy and that is what the government of your country is advocating in the tribal areas.

Yes, there is a danger in embracing change faster than the masses are willing to do - and the masses according to the poll that I cited shows that 65% are supportive of Osama bin Laden!

Look how bird brained egomaniacs change colors, the purpose is not to engage in debate the purpose is to dispute, cowardice such as this contains seeds of self disasters

When you do not have the facts to support your position you resort to personal attacks!



To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (46259)5/22/2004 3:13:37 PM
From: IQBAL LATIF  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 50167
 
Instead of being patted on the back that guy ‘you are da man with da face to fight this battle as minority risking your life’ I am asked that Osama is liked by most of Pakistan so we should hit Pakistan is that the foolish inference, is 65 percent a barometer that once Jordan reaches their they should be hit also, and what is purpose to make your friends your enemies, is the a logic that since 65 percent support Osama we think that you as a minority who are fighting Osama fascism are trouble makers since you support Bush doctrine that we hate and hence we should crush you too, as if we are not threatened enough in Pakistan now comes the new ego star since I have put my foot on these cowards tails they have become outrageous.

That goes to prove my point that despite of this wholesome support on ground level for these extremists Mr. Bush ability to sew an alliance of ex die hard supporters of extremism is success of greatest post war diplomacy, either accept this or take back the point that popular support of Osama exists, give the credit where it is due! First to Mr. Bush and his neo cons and second Ike on this thread as the last samurai fighting a war like a man.

It is not 65 percent it is 95 percent people in my country are against what I write; but we are trying to help our government to stay course, we know what is the result of fanatical obsession with ideology, look at this disgraceful coward leftist liberal his whole fight with me is based on my ability to call him what he is a coward that stinks! ggg

If Osama can win election in my country what can I do about it, the issue for me is that at the moment I am at forefront of a war that my whole country predominantly think is a betrayal of very ideals on which Islamic brotherhood is based, the concept of universality of brotherhood. We on the other hand think that it is not our duty to be responsible for Islamic global brotherhood our challenge is poverty, education and equality of gender, Osama sits right opposite to what we believe is right, now how can I be implicated if 65 percent or even 100 percent Pakistanis do not believe in what I believe, my point is that I am brave enough with a face and not a coward to hide behind names to face this evil. I also highlight on these pages that Bush doctrine alone had helped the dilly dallying Pakistan to come out and help the cause, if my opponents believe that my country needs to be ‘Iraqised’ good enough and if they think that nukes are like peanuts that can hypothetically collected like that Hersh liar says, I say to that good enough too.

The option is that has Bush doctrine changed Pakistan for better or for worst! I think it has changed Pakistan for benter, the reason being that land that was sanctuary because of history has now become slowly inaccessible, now we can do two things about it, hit it or work with it I believe working with Pakistan is good option if making Iraq out of Pakistan is another credible option so be it, I think that sum total of US capabilities to pull that are very doubtful and there is no need of opening new fronts. That is not an issue.

I face lesser animosity in my country for my views than I face here from thee lunatic liberal kids on the block. I for one has never claimed that Pakistanis has changed whole heartedly to fight this war on terror, Osama remains a very popular myth figure in entire Islamic world, that I detest, Islamic world has always created false prophets those who have destroyed the very fabric of Islamic societies, this is one reason that I am happy to see Saddam go and happy to see Arafat go, the later cannot be trusted for his words or for his actions, earlier the fight with me was that I don’t condemn Pakistan enough for its democratic credentials I proved that I am at forefront of change in my country, than it was why do condemn others when I belong to equally big cesspool I defended that good enough my cesspool is big but the government in-charge is now playing by the book and helping find the top leadership of Alqaeda, <<from Abu Zubayda to Omer Shiekh to captured al Qaeda operatives -- operations chief Abu Zubaydah and Ramzi Binalshibh than were when President Bush Wednesday hailed what he called a "major, significant find" in the war against terrorism -- the arrest in Pakistan of a top al Qaeda operative believed to have played roles in the September 11, 2001, attacks and the bombing of the USS Cole.
Whalid ba Attash, also known as Tawfiq bin Attash or Khallad, was arrested Tuesday along with five other suspected al Qaeda members in a police raid in the port city of Karachi, Pakistan's Information Ministry said.
"He's a killer. He was one of the top al Qaeda operatives," Bush said at the White House. "He was right below Khalid Shaikh Mohammed on. At the beginning of March, American-Pakistani security cooperation resulted in the arrest of Khalid Sheikh Muhammad, the operational commander of the September 11 terrorist attack in the United States. President George Bush, Jr., described this development as a "fantastic achievement," and it is undoubtedly a major accomplishment for the United States and its allies in their war against international terrorism, in general, and al-Qaeda and its affiliated terror networks, in particular. The symbolic value of capturing Khalid Shaykh is therefore no less significant than is its operational value. For it sends an unambiguous signal to Americans who have been watching the provocative media performances of Usama bin Laden, still on the loose since September 11 and still threatening to inflict mass casualties, that whoever harms them will be hunted down and made to pay the price. It also signals the capability of the American security forces to disrupt and respond, thus strengthening public confidence that real power and determination lie behind President's Bush's declarations of an uncompromising war against international terror. This same message is also conveyed to various terrorist organizations around the world, including al-Qaeda, and to states supporting terrorism.
Khalid Sheikh Muhammad's arrest was the result of close cooperation between American and Pakistani security agencies, and that clearly points to international intelligence and operational cooperation as the only way of dealing effectively with the international terrorist threat. It is particularly noteworthy that the main American partner in the fight against al-Qaeda and its offshoots is that same Pakistan whose previous support for the Taliban regime and al-Qaeda make it possible for the "Afghan" terror industry to flourish in the international arena. >>


Despite of this the ability of Pakistan to change gears and make a u-turn and help the world to eliminate AlQaeda is something that is heart warming.