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To: blue red who wrote (133998)	5/22/2004 10:38:31 PM
From: E	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

Nadine has herself defined these as torture: Moreover, there is not much in all this scandal that amounts to torture as generally understood - beatings, bastinado, hung from the ceiling, electric shock, mock executions, etc,..." Message 20156056 Message 20156289 About wires: Stun guns have been used, and at least one person has been (photograhed) in the statue treatment attached to wires (others have said it happened to them too, but we have no photos that I know of), standing for long periods on a box, told that when they finally fell they'd be electrocuted, but I haven't found evidence that live wires were actually used. I've heard of only one anal rape of a boy, though I understand there are many photos of Iraqis being sodomized with light bulbs. Mock executions have been testified to. Nadine counts those. But she's nonetheless reluctant to acknowledge, when it comes down to it, that what we did constitutes torture and is a violation of the the Geneva Conventions.