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To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (46284)	5/24/2004 6:51:57 AM
From: IQBAL LATIF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 50167

On my assertion that Pak Army is not one man, it is an institution that has shown their alliance to Brits since 1857, 110 years before creation of our country. To let my traditions being pissed upon by a nameless, non entity is something I will never forget, traditions, history and culture are part of a nation, nations can be poor but it is the history that makes nations great, it is the sacrifices that makes nations great, sacrifice for common good of MANKIND, WHEN OUR FAHTER felled in Germany they never asked that Hitler was a Christian, it was for good of mankind, today good people continue to display uncommon valour to destroy medievalism and fascist like Saddam, the liberals were the ones who wanted peace with fascists at any cost, they want status quo, in their quest to lie they go to any extent, the lie about our traditions is the worst .. note the rich traditions of valour we live with and read them to your children, this is folklore history of valour and courage.. The 'imitators' heritage.. Pakistan Regiments and Corps of Pakistan Army.. Probyn's Horse (5th King Edward VII's Own Lancers) regiments.org The Second World War: Meiktila, Capture of Meiktila, Defence of Meiktila, Taungtha, Rangoon Road, Pyawbwe, Pyinmana, Toungoo, Pegu 1945, Burma 1942-45 The Guides Cavalry (10th) (Queen Victoria's Own Frontier Force) [inherited battle honours of Queen Victoria's Own Corps of Guides (Frontier Force) (Lumsden's), plus:]The Second World War: Bir Hacheim, Minqar Qaim, Deir el Shein, North Africa 1940-43 6th Duke of Connaught's Own Lancers (Watson's Horse) regiments.org [combined battle honours of 13th Duke of Connaught's Lancers (Watson's Horse), and 16th Cavalry, plus:] The Great War: Shaiba1, Kut al Amara 19151 '172, Ctesiphon1, Tigris 19161, Baghdad2, Sharqat2, Mesopotamia 1915-18, NW Frontier India 19152 Afghanistan 19191,2 The Second World War: The Trigno, Tuffilo, The Sangro, The Moro, Cassino II, Pignataro, Liri Valley, The Senio, Santerno Crossing, Italy 1943-45 1. awarded for service of 16th Cavalry.2. awarded for service of 13th Duke of Connaught's Lancers (Watson's Horse). 66th Punjabis regiments.org 59th Royal Scinde Rifles (Frontier Force) regiments.org 31st Duke of Connaught's Own Lancers regiments.org 1st Brahmans regiments.org 55th Coke's Rifles (Frontier Force) regiments.org 21st Prince Albert Victor's Own Cavalry (Frontier Force) (Daly's Horse) regiments.org 55th Coke's Rifles (Frontier Force) regiments.org 1st Punjab Regiment regiments.org 129th Duke of Connaught's Own Baluchis regiments.org 51st Sikhs (Frontier Force) regiments.org 32nd Lancers regiments.org 62nd Punjabis regiments.org 56th Punjabi Rifles (Frontier Force) regiments.org 52nd Sikhs (Frontier Force) regiments.org 23rd Cavalry (Frontier Force) regiments.org 53rd Sikhs (Frontier Force regiments.org 57th Wilde's Rifles (Frontier Force) regiments.org 54th Sikhs (Frontier Force) regiments.org

To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (46284)	5/24/2004 11:51:46 AM
From: malibuca	Respond to of 50167

What has been the history of your army since Pakistan's independence? Don't focus on the period when your country was under British rule. Focus instead on the track record of your country's armed forces in overthrowing democratically elected leaders. One of the cardinal rules of the British army that you cite in the context of your country's military, is to stay out of politics and accept civilian authority. What makes your country different from any banana republic if the military is going to intervene and overthrow the elected leader at whim? You know perfectly well that any democratically elected government in your country will not survive if it alienates the military. British governments don't live in fear that if they upset the military there will be a coup. I cite the British example because you chose to mention the historical association of your country's military with that of Britain. But the same can be said of our armed forces. There is a tradition in American government that the military is subordinate to the civilian leaders - and the military accepts that subordinate role. When Truman fired MacArthur, he was not concerned that it would result in a coup. When your duly elected prime minister, Nawaz Shariff fired Musharraf - who he had appointed Chairman Joint of Chiefs of Staff Committee - Musharraf overthrew Shariff and then imprisoned him before he was allowed to go into exile. I guess that is an improvement over the previous general who overthrew the elected leader of your country at the time and because he would not go away quietly, he had him hanged! Message 20152296