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To: RealMuLan who wrote (50403)	5/24/2004 3:42:59 PM
From: Joe S Pack	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

I don't think you read my earlier post. It is not just those 138M SC/ST people. Most of the backward class people (another ~700M) are also economically poor. Government cannot give them money but enable them to get educated and compete with the rest. For example, there are millions of farmers who took loan and could n't pay off due to drought for the past 4 years. Government can step in and write off some of the loans, like what they do here in this country in the name of farm subsidy, to alleviate their suffering. Similarly most rural areas don't have good school and the government was trying to do build schools and give them decent basic education. However, it is not easy as there comes corruption, political favouritism etc. which eventually dilute the ultimate benefit to the poor. I agree that any rapid change in a large society, that too involving economic equality, cannot be achieved rapidly via a slow degrading democracy like the one here in USA. >>Democracy offers equality of economic opportunity. << Can you say India offers equality of economic opportunity to their 138 million Caste/untouchables?? LOL And are you telling me that the US system offers equality of economic opportunity to everyone? go kidding yourselve!

To: RealMuLan who wrote (50403)	5/24/2004 4:10:33 PM
From: Tommaso	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

>>And are you telling me that the US system offers equality of economic opportunity to everyone?<<< Well, I certainly would not. And there is not equality of anything else that can be inherited: beauty, bodily strength, intelligence, agility, talents of many kinds. But in the United States there are more chances for starting over, and starting over in more different ways, than have ever existed anywhere. There is a higher likelihood of hard work and good behavior being rewarded. The U. S. Constitution does not promise success and happiness, but it does assert that "the pursuit of happiness" is a natural right. I think that there was more economic equality in the United States fifty years ago than there is now, but the chances of putting oneself ahead of other people to accumulate wealth are somewhat better than they were fifty years ago. And the general level of wealth is much higher than it was fifty years ago. But there will always be injustice, inequality, and corruption.

To: RealMuLan who wrote (50403)	5/24/2004 7:47:56 PM
From: AC Flyer	Respond to of 74559

>>And are you telling me that the US system offers equality of economic opportunity to everyone<< Yes. Compared to any other nation on the planet, at any other time in history, the US offers greater equality of economic opportunity. Almost anyone can do well here if they are prepared to work. As a first generation immigrant yourself with an apartment, car, etc., etc., how can you doubt this? Nevertheless, as I said, equality of economic opportunity does not mean equality of economic outcomes. Some will command multi-billion dollar corporations while some will labor in small cubicles over obscure health care statistics. The point is though, that if you were smarter, tougher, harder-working and more prepared to sacrifice everything to achieve your goal, in the US you do have a shot at becoming that CEO.