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To: Brumar89 who wrote (11116)	5/24/2004 8:57:35 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 20773

If you understand that the rise of global terrorism is partly the result of these interesting variants of freedom- then the free countries of the world have been negatively impacted. Since the communist countries are free their weapons technology and scientists are for sale, and their banks are free to launder money for criminals- including many terrorist organizations. Ah freedom- a double edged sword.

To: Brumar89 who wrote (11116)	5/25/2004 3:47:33 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20773

Re: Within the past 20 years, a massive percentage of humanity (the populations of the USSR, China, and eastern Europe) have become much freer than they previously had been.* But China is still a Communist regime, if only formally... You Yanks keep bragging about "freedom" but I'm afraid you don't know what you're talking about... I think most Americans cling to a negative notion of freedom, that is, the freedom for rednecks NOT to be goaded by the federal gov. The freedom for Jesus freaks to ENFORCE their way of life upon their fellow citizens... The freedom for whites to keep non-white minorities on the fringes... The freedom for the rich NOT to pay taxes to help the poor... along with the freedom to own guns to shoot the poor-turned-burglar... and also the freedom to pay taxes to build prisons and hire cops to police the unruly.... Somehow the American conception of "freedom" is totalitarian and theocratic.

To: Brumar89 who wrote (11116)	5/25/2004 5:20:41 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20773

Runaway America : Benjamin Franklin, Slavery, and the American Revolution by David Waldstreicher (Author) amazon.com Editorial Reviews About the Author David Waldstreicher, professor of history at Notre Dame, is author of In the Midst of Perpetual Fetes: The Making of American Nationalism and editor of Thomas Jefferson's Notes on the State of Virginia (Bedford Books). *Book Description* Scientist, abolitionist, revolutionary: that is the Benjamin Franklin we know and celebrate. To this description, the talented young historian David Waldstreicher shows we must add runaway, slave master, and empire builder. But Runaway America does much more than revise our image of a beloved founding father. Finding slavery at the center of Franklin's life, Waldstreicher proves it was likewise central to the Revolution, America's founding, and the very notion of freedom we associate with both. Franklin was the sole Founding Father who was once owned by someone else and was among the few to derive his fortune from slavery. As an indentured servant, Franklin fled his master before his term was complete; as a struggling printer, he built a financial empire selling newspapers that not only advertised the goods of a slave economy (not to mention slaves) but also ran the notices that led to the recapture of runaway servants. Perhaps Waldstreicher's greatest achievement is in showing that this was not an ironic outcome but a calculated one. America's freedom, no less than Franklin's, demanded that others forgo liberty. Through the life of Franklin, Runaway America provides an original explanation to the paradox of American slavery and freedom.