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To: LindyBill who wrote (46824)	5/25/2004 12:49:48 PM
From: Mary Cluney	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793968

<<<"were the prisoners at the Iraqi prison subject to the Geneva Convention?" From the looks of things, they were "armed combatants," not in uniform. And were not. Does that justify the nonsense done to them?">>> From reports, 60% of those were not only not in uniform, not armed, and not combatants. But why are we still going over this. What happened at the prison is universally deplored. John McCain, Lindsey Graham, and George W Bush (just to name a few) have all spoken out against it. George Bush has even promised to tear down the prison to symbolically demonstrate what America thinks about what has gone on there. Why is anyone still defending, or minimizing what occurred there. It was not good for America. In fact it was a major disaster for America. America was badly hurt by what happened there. If you are a patriotic American you have to help to get over this shame as quickly as possible. Since this is an investment website, we should draw some lessons that successful business have done to deal with such disasters. The case history normally used is the Johnson & Johnson Tylenol situation. When people died from tampered J&J products, they immediately made full disclosure and remedied the situation. Otherwise, the news of the tampered products would have gone on forever tarnishing a terrific product. Do you see any parallel?

To: LindyBill who wrote (46824)	5/25/2004 2:30:47 PM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793968

The first question is, "were the prisoners at the Iraqi prison subject to the Geneva Convention?" From the looks of things, they were "armed combatants," not in uniform. Two quick answers, Bill. The first is that you will have to argue with Rumsfeld, Myers, Wolfowitz, et al on this point. They all testified, unambiguously, that the Geneva Conventions applied in Iraq. Their argument in Guantanamo and Afghanistan depended on the non-state character of Al Q and, possibly, the Taliban. They all agreed it did not apply in Iraq. Second quick answer is the undisputed report of the ICRC that somewhere between 70 and 90% of those held were innocents are, at best, minor thieves.