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To: Ilaine who wrote (134372)	5/25/2004 1:47:38 PM
From: Dr. Id	Respond to of 281500

he stonewalled, temporized and obstructed. Sounds like the Bush Administration was taking more lessons from Saddam than just torturing prisoners...

To: Ilaine who wrote (134372)	5/25/2004 2:23:09 PM
From: Sig	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Help is on the way. The UN will not fail to come in to Iraq in the near future. Big business and finance play a bigger role than ever each year in human affairs. So the suffering in places like Africa gets little attention. Iraq is big. Allowing an increase in oil prices and a few new discoveries and the total value could approach $10 or $20 trillion. And when that wealth is shared, distributed, and reused in society everyone benefits, even if the rich get most of it. As soon as Iraq has a trustworthy oil ministry that will honor contracts, France German, Spain, China, Russia will try to participate. And the only way they can get there is thru the UN and by agreeing to help rebuild and stabilize the country. Sig

To: Ilaine who wrote (134372)	5/25/2004 3:06:01 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

< Rather than allow the UN inspectors access to the information they needed to give Iraq a clean bill of health, he stonewalled, temporized and obstructed.> CB, in defence of Saddam, we should remember that he was dealing with a UN inspectorate infested with USA spies who were after him, helping the USA military prepare for his demise. You shouldn't be surprised that he kicked them out. He couldn't tell which were spies, so as one does, one gets rid of the whole lot. The USA wouldn't want a swarm of USSR spies disguised as UN inspectors running around and would be inclined to kick the UN out rather than submit to the fraud. The USA has also stonewalled, temporized and obstructed the UN over the past year too, but I notice on CNN right now that they are seeing that civilization has some useful attributes, such as not so many dead and maimed Americans being sent back home to their families. What the USA really should do, is support a complete revamp of the UN instead of maintaining the absurd geopolitical Arabian Nights approach which evolved from 19th century territoriality and warring kingdoms and empires. Mqurice

To: Ilaine who wrote (134372)	5/25/2004 4:08:14 PM
From: cnyndwllr	Respond to of 281500

The Iraqi people suffered through embargoes and interdictions and even war in order to prop up Saddam Hussein's ego. Rather than allow the UN inspectors access to the information they needed to give Iraq a clean bill of health, he stonewalled, temporized and obstructed. Yes, Cobalt but you overlook the fact that he was sitting on an unbelievably rich treasure that was a huge prize for any country (us) with the power and the intent to seize it. Like a beautiful young woman alone in her home with a rapist trying to break in, he hollered, "I've got a gun." It turns out that he needed a gun and didn't have one, but I can't blame him for trying. In any event it's a red herring. Zinni and others who knew a lot more about the situation than those who were extolling the "benefits" of the invasion, were clear that he was no threat to America. They were not only ignored; they were shunned. That indicates that the truth was less important to the Bush Administration than the "appearance of the truth" and thus it appears unlikely that we invaded because of the "threat" of wmds.