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To: one_less who wrote (47248)5/26/2004 9:01:38 AM
From: Jim Willie CB  Read Replies (4) | Respond to of 89467
 
not stuck at all in VietNam protest era
instead, alarmed at the ignorance of a repeated VNam
except this one is an order of magnitude more dangerous
combine crude oil with religious fanatacism

what alarms me is guys like you and your blindness
so now you dismiss my points as VNam redux ???
take a look at parallels
that is, if you can take the time to be objective
similar mistakes are being made
one that pisses me off is the heightened motivation to lose more precious soldier lives so that the previous losses were not in vain
THEY ARE ALL IN VAIN

I BRING UP HISTORICAL COMPARISONS BECAUSE IF HISTORY IS NOT LEARNED, IT IS THEN REPEATED
case in point, credit expansion and subsequent depression
case in point, entering a civil war and subsequent military losss

take a gander at something I have collected and saved
sincerely, jim

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a big big similarity of entering a civil war we don’t understand
use civilians as human shields
enemy has no helicopters, no airplanes, no artillery, no communications
dont bother with uniforms, so we cannot recognize the enemy
many parallels with VietNam, and a few similarities
at least we dont need Agent Orange to clear the desert brush
replace SLOPEHEADS with RAGHEADS
replace HoChiMinh with Saddam
replace Neighbor China with Saudi Arabia and Persian Gulf Emirates
replace Communism Halt with Islamic Fundamentalism Halt
replace Monsoons with SandStorms
replace Tet New Year with Ramaddan
replace Buddhist monks with Muslim Mullahs
replace Buddhist immolation sacrifices with Muslim suicide bombers
replace Bonzai with Jihad
replace booby trap deaths with RPG and bomb attack deaths
replace DeMilitarizedZone (DMZ) with Saudi restrictions
replace the Delta with the Gulf
replace Viet Cong infiltrators with Al Qaeda infiltrators
replace Russian/Chinese Suppliers with Russian/Chinese Suppliers
replace Collateral Peasants with Collateral Muslims
replace Combodian Triangle CIA heroin with Afghan CIA heroin
replace sirhans with togas and headdress
replace oxen with camels
same confusion with enemy in uniforms and in civilian clothes
same bullshit managed news reporting on the war
same nonsensical moral high ground claimed
same absurd misjudging of manpower, costs, timetable, greeting by locals
same pushbutton killing with technology
same monstrous 100:1 death counts
same 500,000 soldiers before long
same crippling costs to federal budgets
instead of using chemical weapons (napalm & agent orange), we cannot find chemical weapons
much bigger stakes !!!
add in explosive oil region issues, and religious zealotry
we dont repeat history
we dont learn from history either
history rhymes
same price inflation in a couple years
/ jim



To: one_less who wrote (47248)5/26/2004 9:07:12 AM
From: Jim Willie CB  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 89467
 
VietNam dismissal is more evidence of your shallowness

do you have enough rational makeup to examine these?

promise of WMD -- none found
promise of self-paid war costs from oil -- production down
promise of little US taxpayer costs -- $40B + $78B so far
promise of short war -- ongoing & worsening
promise of democracy -- Shiite majority now seen as untrustworthy
promise of more security -- increase in public crime
promise of police force -- total joke, cut & run
promise of ended Saddam torture -- we are the torturers
promise of crude oil back to $20 -- try $40

the item insufficiently reported in my view is the alarming rise in public crime
e.g. rape, robbery, assault
the perpetrators are no longer Feddayeen, but fellow citizens

apart from Saddam's removal, NOTHING POSITIVE
except the widespread liberty, which is good
excuse me, but that must include liberty to bomb council leaders, to kill US soldiers like in a carnival gallery, to kidnap contract workers, and to be tortured in prison

WHAT STRIKES ME AS CLEAR IS YOUR INEPT ABILITY TO ARGUE
on the high school forensic team, you dont even make 3rd string
arguing with you is like with a 7-yr old kid

/ jim (Brilliant Stone of the East... jeez)