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Politics : Should God be replaced? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Solon who wrote (17540)	5/26/2004 10:26:42 PM
From: average joe	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

Quit while your ahead, who knows what unspeakably evil things Greg might get up to if he ever actually saw the light. One can only imagine the madness that would set in and the carnage that would follow. If Greg needs supernatural beings that can be neither claimed or explained tell him, "you shall, you will, you must" I think we are all better off accepting it, at least until such time it can be scientifically identified and eradicated. "A gentile came to Shammai and said to him, 'Accept me as a proselyte on the condition that you teach me the whole law while I stand on one foot.' Shammai drove him away with the measuring rod that he held in his hand. Then he went to Hillel, who received him as a proselyte and said to him, 'What is hateful to you do not to your neighbour. That is the whole Torah; the rest is commentary. Now go and study.'" - Talmud, Shabbat 31a Them heavy people Rolling the ball, rolling the ball, rolling the ball to me. Rolling the ball, rolling the ball, rolling the ball to me. They arrived at an inconvenient time. I was hiding in a room in my mind. They made me look at myself. I saw it well. I'd shut the people out of my life. So now I take the opportunities: Wonderful teachers ready to teach me. I must work on my mind. For now I realise: Everyone of us has a heaven inside. Them heavy people hit me in a soft spot. Them heavy people help me. Them heavy people hit me in a soft spot. Rolling the ball, rolling the ball, rolling the ball to me. They open doorways that I thought were shut for good. They read me Gurdjieff and Jesu. They build up my body, break me emotionally. It's nearly killing me, but what a lovely feeling! I love the whirling of the dervishes. I love the beauty of rare innocence. You don't need no crystal ball, Don't fall for a magic wand. We humans got it all, we perform the miracles. Them heavy people hit me in a soft spot. Them heavy people help me. Them heavy people hit me in a soft spot. Rolling the ball, rolling the ball, rolling the ball to me. Rolling the ball, rolling the ball, rolling the ball to me. Rolling the ball, rolling the ball...

To: Solon who wrote (17540)	5/27/2004 10:29:30 AM
From: Greg or e	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

"What you DID say was that if we are a product of evolution then we CANNOT judge between right and wrong. And that is patently absurd." If what I meant by that was that you could not choose green socks over blue then it would be absurd. You have to give it the worst slant in order to avoid responding substantively. "Evolution has nothing whatsoever to do with the "oughts" That is why evolutionists are are left with nothing but suggestions. One need not imagine what happens when this philosophy is put into practice since Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot have all given us a shinning examples of evolution in action. "All creatures act in accordance with their nature. Most creatures lack reason and thus may act to their benefit only through instinct....Humans have the capacity to reason and thus may formulate ethics based on free will or choice--with the benefit of hindsight, foresight, and analysis, and predicated upon values chosen with the intention of preserving life and promoting happiness." It would be a wonderful world if acting "in accordance with their nature" and "the intention of preserving life and promoting happiness." were synonymous, sadly we seem to find the opposite to be true. You must get dizzy chasing your logical tail around like my dog. You can't establish universal ethics by starting with a universal ethic "All people from all ages have had opinions about how best to behave in society....They have always considered two basic answers: 1). One ought to act to create value or benefit in accordance with reason, or 2). One ought to obey whatever particular Deity is in vogue in a particular community" That is not true. It is only very recently that anyone has tried to do away with transcendent ethics in favor of a strict Humanist/Atheist perspective. That little experiment has been an unmitigated disaster and resulted in the bloodiest century in all history. The sheer naivety of Humanist assumptions regarding the altruistic motives of people like Stalin and Mao, demonstrates that they are obviously unsustainable. "where the benefit of humanity (by which I mean the individuals) is taken as the raison d'etre of human ethical guidelines..." That's your leap of faith, but in the real world, it turns out to be a leap into the fire. Stalin called people like you "Useful Idiots". Was he wrong?