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To: epicure who wrote (11193)	5/27/2004 10:48:49 AM
From: Michelino	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20773

"a matter of ignorance. If one hasn't had a teacher who taught rhetoric" What you probably realize is that education is now often viewed as the enemy, not the answer. For your opponent, responding is just another in a series of jaded attempts to "win” from point of view of an intransigent mind. You are asking for an opposite who values another's opinion at least enough to understand it, but you will find few who are willing here. The common ploy now is to pull out some tangential flash card of the mind and attack this straw man as the stand-in for the presented argument. Learned definitions of rhetoric, argument or debate do not apply: at least in the mind of the neo-con and all other new age jingoists. Rush, Squawk Radio in general and their followers are part of a continuing trend to denigrate the intellectual and scientific community who traditionally (and universally) tend to be liberal. Debate is now defined as shouting down your adversary, (perhaps after first turning off his or her microphone). Of like mind, we now have an administration which is in the process of installing partisans in virtually every advisory role...where objective analysis once was respected as part of the process in determining policy, we have Bush cronies who censor truth whenever there is the slightest danger of science refuting partisan desires....http://www.ucsusa.org/global_environment/rsi/index.cfm

To: epicure who wrote (11193)	5/28/2004 12:22:52 AM
From: cosmicforce	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 20773

One of the more common ones we run across is the false dichotomy. Usually this is expressed as: if you don't agree with some rhetoric, you're anti-American (or some equally unconnected mindstate, inferior to that of the bigot).