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To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (134772)	5/28/2004 9:09:59 PM
From: Sarmad Y. Hermiz	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

>> Agreement by U.S. and Rebels to End Fighting in Najaf (My comment: Sadr stays out of our hands, and his army stays intact. Another defeat for the U.S., like Fallujah and Waziristan. We've got to stop saying we are going to do things we don't have the ability to do.) << I don't think it is a matter "don't have the ability to do". More like everyone deciding there is no point in taking casualties for nothing. Just for the sake of fighting. I know the hawk nonsense is something like let's start a war among the moslems, so we don't get censorship of the internet. Or some other insane ideas. (see footnote at bottom) But really, what would be the point of causing even one more death to contest who sits in which police station in Kufa, Kut, or Karbalaa ? Personally I'm glad the ground commanders understand the idiocy of these battles and do what they can to turn their backs on them. From now on, the issue for US forces is to stay out of harms way. Just stay in the barracks and let the chaos go on without their active participation. Again today Mr. Bush said "full, complete sovreignty". Either the unsc resolution drafters are disconnected from the president. or they don't let him know what is actually being proposed. But in any case, once the decision is made to pull out, then no-one wants to be the last US soldier to die in Iraq on the way out. I think this attempt at empire building floundered, and the departure will be faster than anyone expects now. Then the real war of revenge will start. --------- quoting the valiant hawk: "Which is why I advocate fighting the battle overseas in Muslim lands... Fostering a civil war between militants and moderates. Forcing militants to have to kill other muslims in order to get at us.." Message 20176903

To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (134772)	5/30/2004 1:23:22 AM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Sadr stays out of our hands, and his army stays intact Intact? What, do you think his troops are pros? They are bully boys rallying to the cause for power and jollies. They shot their wad way to early, got their asses kicked by the Marines, and now the Shi'ite populations and the senior clerics are mad at them and telling them to stand down - openly accusing them of being in league with the Ba'athists and of murdering Khoei! They have released the government offices and police stations that they siezed in April. This is not a fun or glorious position for a militia. Some may try to break the truce. But wait and see how "intact" the others stay. This is a recipe for a militia shrinking back to the core fighters, with all the Johnnie-come-latelies slinking home.