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Politics : Bush-The Mastermind behind 9/11? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: sea_urchin who wrote (6728)	5/29/2004 1:27:12 PM
From: BubbaFred	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 20039

"...one of the 2 video cameras used in the Nick Berg "beheading" was also used to film US troop abuses of Iraqi detainees..." breakfornews.com

To: sea_urchin who wrote (6728)	5/31/2004 5:00:20 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20039

Re: Gustave, I see you are convinced that everything which is happening or has happened is largely the work of sinister Jews, who are aided and abetted in their evil quest by a bunch of equally sinister and crazy Christians. Well, you seem to be somewhat unnerved by my little quiz... Apparently you don't want to address the fact that far-right extremism and neofascism (in Europe at least) are no longer inherently anti-Semitic/-Zionist. Now you claim that I'm "convinced that everything which is happening...", but I've already answered that accusation: Message 18731305 Actually, you cunningly inflate the purview of our conversation and insinuate that we were debating events occuring EVERYWHERE in the world --which is false. Go back and review my posts: I talked about Israel, the Mideast, Europe and the US, and the nexus of their relationships. Hence it makes perfect sense for ANY observer to consider the Jews, at least the Zionist Jews, as an instrumental, if secretive, agent... As I said again and again, I consider the current Israeli-Arab crisis as the Frankenstein replica of the French-Algerian crisis of the 1950s and the misgivings I cultivate against the Judeocons, the Israelis and (non-)Jewish Zionists are EXACTLY similar to those I would have nurtured against French Pieds-Noirs in the 1950s. Now, does it make me a Frenchophobic racist? A Pied-Noir basher/hater? If I had lived in 1950s France, I'd have opposed the meddling and plotting by French Pieds-Noirs as forcefully as I blame the Zionist lobby today... on (GEO)POLITICAL grounds, not out of some racialist or religious lunacies. And, accordingly, I'd have had no qualms about the Pieds-Noirs AFTER 1962, that is, after Algeria's independence. Ever since 1962, French Pieds-Noirs and metropolitan Frenchmen who supported them have been involved in French politics the same way Jews and Zionists have been invested in US politics. The best example might be none other than former President Valéry Giscard d'Estaing who was among O.A.S.'s highest ranking moles in De Gaulle's cabinet and who was elected President in 1974... As for "sinister and crazy Jews and Christians", I've also debunked the myth that fanaticism and irrational motivations were the exclusive trademarks of Islam whereas the US, Europe and Israel wage war out of rational motives only: Message 19845752 Gus

To: sea_urchin who wrote (6728)	5/31/2004 5:36:16 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20039

Turning all your argument upside down: Searle, I see you are convinced that everything which is happening or has happened is largely the work of sinister Oil Men, who are aided and abetted in their evil quest by a bunch of equally sinister and crazy generals. From my part, I simply don't believe it. Sure, there are greedy wheeler-dealers -- there are greedy Oil Men and crazy Pentagon brass and crazy Muslims and crazy whoever. But to seriously believe that a handful of Texas oil men want to take over the world a la The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Halliburton, I just don't see it. I have the book and I have read it a few times and, at a certain level, the story is convincing but I simply cannot believe there are actually people who are deliberately plotting to do this, particularly when there is no valid reason to so. [recall the "monopsony" thing] Sure, I understand the predicament of US gas-guzzlers, economically, and in Texas. I also know their wealth and influence is out of all proportion to their numbers, but so what? That proves nothing. That they are good swindlers [Enron,...] and have managed to do a "rabbit from the hat" trick with US taxpayers' monies is not an indictment but a tribute. They/some are damn clever. But Keynes wasn't a Texan, neither was Newton or Hubble or millions of other brilliant people. Texan Oil Men don't have exclusive rights to being clever -- or to being paranoid. Or greedy.