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To: Win Smith who wrote (135134)	6/1/2004 6:22:36 AM
From: Bill Ulrich	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Win, carranza2's observations aren't "straw men". Each of those statements occur on this thread very frequently. Here's one of them that just popped up about 70 posts ago from yours: "And in my opinion, as well as many others, not even for the interest of the US, but to rearrange the middle east for the benefit of Israel," That is, I believe, third on the list that you've declared as c2's "straw men", but nonetheless, it's what gets posted here — daily. Plenty more frequent references to each of c2's points. He is absolutely correct in his observation. No "straw men"; the proof is in the posting.

To: Win Smith who wrote (135134)	6/1/2004 6:40:38 AM
From: Bill Ulrich	Respond to of 281500

Here's another, a few posts after your declaration: "Bullshit. sacrificing US soldiers so Bush can carry florida by playing to the Israel-First voters has nothing to do with defending the United States." It seems to merge points 3 and 4 of what C2 delineated. We can refresh upon those points if this gets too confusing. Though you imply C2's observation is incorrect, it nonetheless is here in black in white electronic print.

To: Win Smith who wrote (135134)	6/1/2004 6:48:50 AM
From: Bill Ulrich	Respond to of 281500

Here's another. You said C2 "made up" those views, but those views seem to keep appearing here in the text. "I'm not very worried about terrorism- I don't see it as the huge problem some other people do. I am more worried about our economic future, since that affects more people" That goes to point 4 which C2 delineated; to which you said C2 was making up straw men. For clarity, let's repost an excerpt of that point: "I know, I know, there many who post here who honestly "think" ... we have bigger problems than Islamic radicalism,..." Doesn't seem to be "made up". It's obviously very much right here. I found this and the previous examples just within 10 minutes of reviewing only today's postings. Let's check out some more, from any given day, eh?