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Politics : Don't Blame Me, I Voted For Kerry -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Brumar89 who wrote (27300)	6/1/2004 12:36:48 AM
From: Orcastraiter	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 81568

..while bin Laden escaped. Assuming bin Ladin escaped. Why hasn't the world seen his face since Tora Bora? We have seen and heard him on a tape, no? washingtonpost.com news.bbc.co.uk msnbc.msn.com Orca

To: Brumar89 who wrote (27300)	6/1/2004 1:03:13 AM
From: zonkie	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 81568

<..didn't do several things which may have prevented the attack from happening.> 1) The predator unmanned plane which was deployed over Afghanistan to look for bin Laden was grounded so they could arm it with the Hellfire missile. It was successfully tested (with the missile) in February of 2001 but junior never ordered it deployed again until after 9-11. There is a good chance bin Laden would not have been alive in Sept of 2001 if junior had ordered it back in action. 2) Junior made the order of "hands off" investigations into the bin Laden family and even into part of the investigations into Ossama himself. 3) Junior ordered the submarines which Clinton had deployed in Cruise Missile range of Afghanistan out of the area not long after being appointed president. These submarines were not put back into the theater until after 9-11. 4) Junior's administration put the war against terrorism on the back burner after he took office. Then he turned the burner off until after 9-11. 5) In the 9-11 hearings all that any of junior's people could point at as something he had done to fight terrorism during his first 8 months was his remark one day that he was tired of swatting at flies. 6) Junior's preoccupation with Iraq instead of concentrating on bin Laden was a mistake. These resources may have been able to turn up evidence of the upcoming attack if not directed elsewhere. 7) Even after the August 6th memo which warned him of an attack could happen at any time he still chose to do nothing. He stayed on vacation for over 3 more weeks after getting the memo. He returned on a Friday night. There was no other reason for him to return on a Friday night other than to keep from breaking the record for the longest presidential vacation on record. His vacation was 1 day shorter than the record. I think he left DC to spend the weekend at Camp David the next day. 8) This one can't be blamed directly on junior but part of the blame goes to him for not putting the CIA, FBI and other agencies on high alert to things which might relate to an attack. --- In the 10 days or so before the 9-11 attack the short position in stocks which were bound to go down after the attack skyrocketed. Someone somewhere in our government should have been on top of this. 9) He appointed too many people to high positions who seem to have put the best interests of Israel above the US's. 10) He fired several people who were trying to educate him about the threat of terrorism. He either didn't consider it to be enough of a problem or he was thinking that if there was a terrorist attack his response to it would help his popularity more than preventing an attack. Is 10 enough?

To: Brumar89 who wrote (27300)	6/1/2004 1:10:32 AM
From: zonkie	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 81568

<On the day of 9-11.. Here your criticism is based entirely on symbolic actions. There's nothing he could have done on that day which would have made a difference.> At terrible times like that people expect comfort and solace to come from the top. If junior would have done his job he would have been the top. During the weeks after the attack the world got it's leadership from Rudolph Guliani and Tony Blair. I hope you haven't forgotten how badly junior's voice was shaking the first few times he spoke to the press after the attack. It was so bad the TV stations had to alter his voice electronically so he didn't appear so scared.

To: Brumar89 who wrote (27300)	6/1/2004 1:14:19 AM
From: zonkie	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 81568

<..rely on Afghanistani nationals to do some fighting .. To do otherwise would have delayed action many months. Months in which the Northern Alliance would have likely been finished off. Note that the 911 attack didn't go forward till the charismatic leader of the Northern Alliance had been assassinated. They thought they'd have time to finish the NA off. They didn't anticipate the effect of SF troops backed by American air power working with the remaining NA forces. Bush did the absolute right thing here. > Junior allowed the Afghanistani's to do the fighting at Tora Bora. These are the same fighters who would change sides every time the other side would offer them more money in the times previous to that battle. This one instance is probably the biggest mistake we made after invading the country. It would not have delayed anything if we had had our troops up close at Tora Bora.

To: Brumar89 who wrote (27300)	6/1/2004 1:16:26 AM
From: zonkie	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 81568

<..while bin Laden escaped. Assuming bin Ladin escaped. Why hasn't the world seen his face since Tora Bora?> I don't know for sure if bin Laden escaped from Tora Bora or not. But if he didn't then why does junior talk about him as if he is alive and why has our intelligence agencies identified his voice on tapes more than once since then?

To: Brumar89 who wrote (27300)	6/1/2004 1:28:18 AM
From: zonkie	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 81568

<Kerry's flip-flop rep is exceedingly well-deserved.> The only reputation which Kerry has for flip flopping is from the false propaganda which junior is using to try and deflect attention from his failure as a president. It is similar to how his dad got elected by attacking Dukasis as being soft on crime. Junior was involved in that lie and it worked so well he used the same lie against Ann Richards when he was elected governor. If Gore had been a governor he would have said he was soft on criminals but since he wasn't he used the flip flop crap against him. It didn't actually work since junior wasn't really elected but since the supreme court handed him the job we have to listen to the same bullshit again. Junior has nothing whatsoever to point at proudly and say "look at what I have done, that's why you should vote for me to be your president." This is why his campaign is all misleading negative ads like the ones accusing Kerry of flip flopping.