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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (135150)	6/1/2004 8:48:56 AM
From: unclewest	Respond to of 281500

That wasn't known in the desperate days, but the fact that the nuclear bombs were developed when they were sealed the deal. M, It is not that easy to explain away. Without interference by the allies, the Germans may have been the first with the bomb. Afterall a German scientist discovered fission and the Germans first developed the theory of a chain reaction. Serious American efforts to develop the bomb did not begin until 1943 when Einstein and other scientists petitioned Roosevelt to authorize the research. The same year allies blew up the German atomic research facility. Who knows what would have happened if Germany got the bomb first?

To: Maurice Winn who wrote (135150)	6/1/2004 12:28:38 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Respond to of 281500

Hawk, the USA would have been able to nuke Japan and Germany into submission so I think Japan was doomed to lose from the beginning [as feared by the Japanese admiral - I forget his name, who feared all they had done was wake a sleeping giant, or some such]. Not until 1945 at the earliest, and it's unlikely any B-29 would have made it through Germany's jet fighter interceptor network. And since there would not have been an impending invasion (with the consequent enormous casualities) there would have been no imperative to use it. The United States would have had to concentrate on Naval battles and protecting ourselves from Hitler's unrestricted submarine war to protect ourselves. Iceland might have become a staging base, or we might have been forced to invade Spain, but that would have proven quite bloody, if even doable without overwhelming force. Face it, the Germany were qualitatively better than US forces and we would have been fighting in their waters. No.. we would have been forced into some form of detente, not with the USSR, but with Japan and Germany. The best we could have hoped from would be set those two powers against one another. And the battle grounds would have likely been S. American (Chile, Colombia, and Argentina via Brazil), and Alaska and Siberia. Btw, the Japanese Admiral was Yamamoto, the man who planned the Pearl Harbor raid and former Japanese Naval Attache stationed in Washington, DC. Germany would likely have developed atomic weapons prior to the US, since they would not have lost their heavy water plant in Norway. The "what if" scenarios are really quite scary to contemplate. Hawk

To: Maurice Winn who wrote (135150)	6/1/2004 1:22:05 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

I recently read an account of the German attempt to develop the atom bomb. Heisenberg told the Allies after the war that they actually could have done it, but the scientists did not think it was a good idea for the Nazis to have it, so they deliberately delayed, delayed, delayed. This account has been called into question by a declassified transcript of a taped conversation. Heisenberg did not believe the account of Hiroshima, and thought it was faked, because he grossly overestimated the amount of Uranium 235 necessary to set off the reaction. uh.edu