To: gerard mangiardi who wrote (579974 ) 6/1/2004 12:41:34 PM From: Johannes Pilch Respond to of 769670 In the fairly recent past, it was official American law to deny people of certain races the freedom to marry whomever they wished, despite the fact that nature biologically grants any heterosexual couple that right. Eventually, society came to understand that the law was wrong and began to accept the marriages. But in many places the racist philosophy was still enshrined in law, though it was not usually enforced. Despite the changes in society, people still were concerned about the law and worked all along to change it. What you are saying here is that they were wrong, that is is wrong for a person to be concerned with removing the philosophy from the law, and that one should instead support policies where the law is simply not put into effect. This is ridiculous, Gerry. I have a natural right not to support what is contrary to my most fundamental biological identity (and murder certainly is contrary to me). You are declaring that support for certain policies is mutually exclusive to an assault against your aim to deny that right. You are wrong. As long as you accept that humans may by any means be forced to support abortion, then a superficial drop in abortion rates is quite irrelevant to the existence of the philosophy by which you are trying to deny my rights. I am saying to you that you are flatly wrong at the most fundamental philosophical level and that despite superficial rises and falls in the murders caused by your satanic philosophy, I must fight to preserve my right to support the philosophy of "ME," and not some abominable philosophy that stands against me. It is not so much my concern how many women get knocked up and murder their children. I can only try to explain why doing this is evil and hope the people heed the advice. But if they do not wish to heed it, then I cannot overfocus on getting them to change while they so fervently work to deny my most fundamental right to uphold my identity. I must first fight to preserve the right to be what I am. Once it is roundly established that I ought to have the freedom to uphold what I am, then I might concern myself with others.