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To: Orcastraiter who wrote (8208)	6/1/2004 12:54:29 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 90947

We were allied with Russia against a common enemy...Hitler. H***, we were allied with the French against a common enemy, Britain, during the Revolution. What could be worse than that? Here, this might help you: Message 19352996

To: Orcastraiter who wrote (8208)	6/1/2004 9:18:49 PM
From: Brumar89	Respond to of 90947

Wow, I see Laz has already done a great job answering your post and showing that Saddam lied to Glaspie and didn't "ask..for permission" as you put it. I never white washed Saddam. I said the Iraqi people were victims of Saddam. What you actually said appears below: No the Iraqi people were the innocent victims of our aggression not Saddam. Just as they were the victims of our supporting Saddam and allowing him to become the tyrant in the first place. Message 20178437 Saddam was supported by the US as a hedge against the Soviets, Good Lord. He was a virtual Soviet puppet for decades. The bulk of his arms came from Russia, the Soviet bloc, and China. The only other significant source of arms was France. .. and against the Iranians. He received some US support during the Iraq-Iraq war because we didn't want Iran to win it. But that aid was quite limited.

To: Orcastraiter who wrote (8208)	6/2/2004 12:56:17 AM
From: DavesM	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 90947

You are simply wrong. The foreign policy of the United States was centered on protecting Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. Any support that the United States gave to Saddam, during the Iran/Iraq war, was because Iraq was allied to Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. This is why the United States placed Kuwaiti tankers under the American Flag during the "tanker war" phase of the Iran-Iraq War. Saddam knew this. When Saddam spoke to the Glaspie, the controversy was not whether or not Iran was going to invade Kuwait - but rather, whether or not Kuwait would forgive a $10 billion dollar war time loan to Iraq, and whether or not the Kuwaitis would cut back production from their side of an oil field that both countries shared. It is also false that Iraq was a hedge against the Soviets. Iraq could best be described as a client state of the Soviets. For each dollar the Iraqis of spent on American military equipment, they purchased over $100 on Soviet (and other Warsaw Pact) equipment. Arms sales from France, China, and the Soviet Union (during the Iran-Iraq War) summed up to over $35 Billion. In contrast, U.S. arms sales to Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war were slightly less than those from Denmark (slightly more than Switzerland) - $200 Million.