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To: cnyndwllr who wrote (135229)	6/1/2004 9:44:17 PM
From: quehubo	Respond to of 281500

<<so we could truly weigh the price of our "bet the farm" gamble on a sucker bet in Iraq.>> You do realize that Iraq sits dead center in the middle of of 2/3 of the world's oil, with the second largest reserves after its neighbor SA. If tens of millions of people are thrown into the streets because SA collapses what laws would apply to an invigorated UN who wants to restore law and order and oil flow at any cost.

To: cnyndwllr who wrote (135229)	6/1/2004 9:54:54 PM
From: broadstbull	Respond to of 281500

Absolutely brilliant post.

To: cnyndwllr who wrote (135229)	6/1/2004 10:24:56 PM
From: stockman_scott	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Wise leaders point to truth about Iraq war and how it started ________________________ Tuesday, June 1, 2004 ViewPoint By Lois Snyder Kalamazoo Gazette Recent quotes by well-known leaders and authors have influenced my thinking on the role of America in this dangerous world. In his book, "The Price of Loyalty," former Secretary of the Treasury Paul O'Neill tells how he was astonished that, 10 days into the new Bush administration, they were "examining military operations in Iraq." (January 2001) He writes, "America was washing its hands of Israel. Now, we'd focus on Iraq." (Pg. 74) "We could take (Hussein) out and change Iraq into a new country. It would solve everything." Gen. Wesley Clark, ("Winning Modern Wars" page 147), says, "There was no reliable evidence suggesting that Saddam was providing al-Qaida any assistance in acquiring weapons of mass destruction, nor was any evidence presented of any imminent Iraqi threat to the United States or its allies." "We cannot demand pre-emption on suspicion." "America's credibility is almost nil in the rest of the world." Zbigniew Brzezinski, former national security adviser under Jimmy Carter (CNN Feb. 8, 2003) Richard Clarke, former Bush counterterrorism chief and author of "Against All Enemies" states, "The Iraq War undermined the war on terrorism in three ways: taking resources away from protecting vulnerabilities at home, such as railroads and chemical plants; inflaming Muslims and creating more al-Qaida types around the world; diverting troops and intelligence resources from fighting al-Qaida. While we have been involved in Iraq, al-Qaida has 'morphed' into a hydra with many heads." (CNN March 27, 2004) On Sept. 17, 2003, President George W. Bush acknowledged that there was "no evidence that Iraq was involved in the Sept. 11 attacks." Vice President Dick Cheney claimed on March 16, 2003, "We believe Hussein has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons," when two weeks previously, the International Atomic Energy Agency had reported, "There was no indication of resumed nuclear activities." By Sept. 14, 2003, Cheney said simply, "I misspoke." (Meet the Press) After reading these and other sources, I am persuaded that the Iraq war was premeditated long before 9-11. Bush took the nation into an incredibly costly, long-term war based upon flimsy to false premises. Anger and fear were adroitly orchestrated to propel the American people into pre-emptive war against a population that had nothing to do with 9-11. To succeed, democracy requires truth and transparency. We must hold this administration accountable. We cannot redeem "evil" countries by enforcing military "regime change" any more than we can coerce love and democracy. When we fight violence with violence, we inflame more violence, and risk becoming what we abhor. Our nation has an opportunity to once again model the high ideals of democracy by seeking peace with justice, demonstrating compassion, respect and even-handedness through concrete actions at home and abroad. With a John Kerry administration in Washington, America can again be seen as a leader in the family of nations. In their writings, the wise men quoted above also lay out ideas and ideals to meet the challenges before us. Please read. _____________________________ Lois Snyder is a wife and grandmother who loves to research and write, and loves to read what other contributors write. She resides in Portage. mlive.com © 2004 Kalamazoo. Used with permission Copyright 2004 Michigan Live. All Rights Reserved

To: cnyndwllr who wrote (135229)	6/29/2004 12:04:17 AM
From: Sam	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

cnyn, what would you think of Zinni as NSC director? or Secr of Defense? or, as a surprise pick--VP? Personally, I'd love to see him debate Cheney on how the Bush admin has conducted/botched this so called "war on terrorism." Though I can't say I know where he comes out on domestic politics. But it would send a message about his priorities and who he is looking for for votes--the people who are concerned with the WoT. Anyone else feel free to weigh in.