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To: The Philosopher who wrote (28352)6/4/2004 1:14:01 AM
From: American SpiritRead Replies (1) | Respond to of 81568
 
Are you on drugs? That period was 15-20 years ago. I stand by my statement. Now why don't you back up your BS with a few facts. Also, when Saddam gassed the Kurds the Reagan-Bush administration didn't even lodge a protest. They did nothing. Same with when Saddam killed scores of iranians, partly with the arms Rumsfeld provided for them.

As for prisons tortures etc. yes saddam was terribly cruel, more so even that most of the many dictators on earth. But the Bushies are all for helping Red China and Libya and Pakistan and I'm sure their prisons are no walk in the park either. In fact neither were our prisons in Iraq. The fact is the rationales for war was WMD's, Al Qaida connections and imminent threat and those were all lies. So why back a liar?



To: The Philosopher who wrote (28352)6/4/2004 1:55:50 AM
From: SkywatcherRespond to of 81568
 
Neo-Con Collapse in Washington and Baghdad
By Jim Lobe
Inter Press Service

Tuesday 01 June 2004

Washington - Fourteen months after reaching the zenith of their influence on U.S. foreign policy with
the invasion of Iraq, neo-conservatives appear to have fallen entirely out of favour, both within the
administration of President George W Bush and in Baghdad itself.

The signs of their defeat at the hands of both reality and the so-called "realists", who are headed
within the administration by Secretary of State Colin Powell, are virtually everywhere but were probably
best marked by the cover of 'Newsweek' magazine last week, which depicted the framed photograph of
the neo-cons' favourite Iraqi, Ahmad Chalabi, which had been shattered during a joint police-U.S.
military raid on his headquarters in Baghdad. 'Bush's Mr. Wrong' was the title of the feature article.

The victory of the realists, who also include the uniformed military and the Central Intelligence
Agency (CIA), appeared complete Monday with the unveiling of the interim Iraqi government to which an
as-yet undefined sovereignty is to be transferred from the U.S.-led occupation authorities Jun. 30.

Not only was Chalabi's arch-rival-in-exile, Iyad Allawi, approved by the Iraqi Governing Council (IGC)
as prime minister, but neither Chalabi nor any of his closest IGC associates, especially Finance
Minister Kamel al-Gailani - who is accused of handing over much of Iraq's banking system to Chalabi
during his tenure - made it into the final line-up.

"It looks like Chalabi is the big loser", said one congressional aide who follows Iraq closely. "And
neo-con has become a dirty word up here", he added, referring to the Congress, where Republicans
have become increasingly restive as a result of recent debacles in Iraq, including the scandal over the
abuse by U.S. soldiers of Iraqi detainees and leaks that Chalabi had been passing sensitive
intelligence to Iran, and may have done so for years.

"We need to restrain what are growing U.S. messianic instincts - a sort of global social engineering
where the United States feels it is both entitled and obligated to promote democracy - by force if
necessary", said Senator Pat Roberts, a conservative Kansas member of Bush's Republican Party and
chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, in a speech last week that was understood here as a
direct shot at the neo-cons.

The neo-conservatives, a key part of the coalition of hawks that dominated Bush's post-9/11 foreign
policy, were the first to publicly call for Saddam Hussein's ouster, which they saw as a way to
transform the Arab world to make it more hospitable to western values, U.S. interests and Israel's
territorial ambitions.

Since the latter part of the 1990s, when they led the charge in Congress for the 1998 Iraq Liberation
Act (ILA), Chalabi and his Iraqi National Congress (INC) was their chosen instrument to achieve that
transformation.

While no neo-cons were appointed to cabinet-level positions under Bush, they obtained top posts in
the offices of Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld - where Paul Wolfowitz was named deputy defence
secretary and Douglas Feith under secretary for policy - and Vice President Dick Cheney, whose chief
of staff and national security adviser was I Lewis "Scooter" Libby.

On the White House National Security Council staff, they were able to place former Iran-contra figure
Elliott Abrams and Robert Joseph in key positions dealing with the Middle East and arms proliferation,
respectively.

Rumsfeld's Defence Policy Board (DPB) was dominated by neo-cons, notably its former chairman,
Richard Perle, former CIA chief James Woolsey, former arms-control negotiator Kenneth Adelman and
military historian Eliot Cohen.

Neo-cons, more than any other group, pushed hardest for war in Iraq after 9/11 and predicted,
backed up by Chalabi's assurances, that the conflict would be, among other things, a "cakewalk" and
that U.S. troops would be greeted with "flowers and sweets".

Within the administration, the neo-cons, again relying heavily on Chalabi's INC, developed their own
intelligence analyses to bolster the notion of a link between former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein
and the al-Qaeda terrorist group, and exaggerated Hussein's alleged weapons of mass destruction
(WMD) to provide a more credible pretext for war.

Their friends on the DPB and in the media then stoked the public's fears about these threats through
frequent appearances on television and a barrage of newspaper columns and magazine articles.

While analysts and regional experts at the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and the State
Department, which had dropped Chalabi as a fraud and a con-man in the mid-1990s, tried to resist the
juggernaut, they were consistently outflanked by the neo-cons, whose influence and ability to
circumvent the professionals was greatly enhanced by their access to Rumsfeld and Cheney, who
served as their champions in the White House and with Bush personally.

Their influence reached its zenith in early April when Chalabi and 700 of his paid INC troops were
airlifted by the Pentagon to the southern city of Nasariyeh on Cheney's authority against Bush's stated
policy that Washington would not favour one Iraqi faction over another. Bush's own national security
adviser, Condoleezza Rice, professed surprise when informed of the move by reporters.

While they were still riding high as U.S. troops consolidated their control of Iraq, the neo-cons' star
began to wane already last August when it became clear that their and Chalabi's predictions about a
grateful Iraqi populace were about as well-founded as their certainties about Hussein's ties to al-Qaeda
and his WMD stockpiles.

Sensing trouble ahead, Rice asked former ambassador to India, Robert Blackwill, to return to the
White House, where he had been her boss during the presidency of George HW Bush, the current
leader's father (1989-93). By October, she and he had formed an inter-agency Iraq Stabilisation Group
(ISG) that gradually wrested control of Iraq policy from the Pentagon.

It was a process in which Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA) chief Paul Bremer, who had come to
detest Chalabi and his neo-con backers in Baghdad and Washington, was an enthusiastic participant
and which was effectively completed with the announcement late last month that the State Department
was taking over the 14 billion dollars in reconstruction money for Iraq that the Pentagon has not yet
spent.

In the last month, the neo-con retreat has turned into a rout, particularly as reports of Chalabi's
cosiness with Iran gained currency and, just as important, senior military officers indicated that a
military victory over the Iraqi insurgency was not possible.

The public attention given to a blistering attack on the neo-cons by the former chief of the U.S.
Central Command, Gen Anthony Zinni, on the popular television programme, '60 Minutes', also
demonstrated that the media, ever cautious about taking on powerful figures, now saw them as fair
game.

When Perle, Woolsey and several other neo-cons visited Rice at the White House on May 1 to
protest the shoddy treatment Chalabi was receiving at the hands of the CIA, Bremer and the State
Department, participants said she thanked them for their views and offered nothing more. Neither
Rumsfeld nor Cheney nor any of their neo-con aides attended.



To: The Philosopher who wrote (28352)6/4/2004 2:20:30 PM
From: American SpiritRead Replies (1) | Respond to of 81568
 
Hey, you're the one who can't count to 15-20.
Drug use could explain your lack of simple mathematic skills. I know drugs have kept Rush Limbaugh believing inh false realities for a long time.