To: greenspirit who wrote (135585 ) 6/4/2004 6:34:14 PM From: Maurice Winn Respond to of 281500 Michael, two of the most admirable people I can think of are $ill Henry Gates III microsoft.com and Dr Irwin Mark Jacobs [of QUALCOMM fame]. Of course there are hordes of equally good people, but these two have also achieved phenomenal things for the good of all. They are examples of doing that being selfish. They are enjoying what they have achieved and are achieving and hope to achieve. Mother Theresa was no doubt very nice and helped at the bottom of the barrel, but people like Irwin and $ill are out in front, cutting a swathe through the cosmos. Without people like that, we'd have stayed in the stone age. The sun would fizzle out and so would the chimpoids squabbling over a bunch of grapes and who gets the girls. Okay, it's only a little swathe at present, compared with what needs doing. In fact, viewed from the centre of our galaxy, it's insignificant. But it helps. The USA enables and encourages people like that to succeed, as proven by the number of such people who have succeeded. In the USSR, they drank vodka or played chess to while away their imprisoned lives. Some like Andrei Sakharov worked within the system, but in the end kicked over the traces. China now isn't much better than the USSR. Apparently they have disappeared the doctor, [and his wife], who blew the whistle on sars, which the arrogant Chinese bosses were keeping quiet [until they realized that they too were going to get killed by the bug]. By doing great things for everyone, $ill and Irwin get the Karma and great lives for themselves. They don't need to steal, confiscate, con, dominate, regulate, conquer to succeed, contrary to the olde way of running the world, where success came by taking possession by force of the means of wealth [resources, serfs and slaves]. Too much of the world still operates on the confiscatory system. That includes a good deal of the USA. Over half the population of the USA still thinks along the dominance heirarchy lines. They should look to people like Irwin and $ill to see how to really succeed big time. People seriously suggest "Let's go and get our oil" from the middle east as though they are entitled to it. They don't like the NUN; they prefer "Might makes right", and "The tough guy gets the goods". But they don't like blowback. I think Irwin Jacobs would be a good President of the USA. He'd make the world like QUALCOMM, which would be no bad thing! He even has Brent Scowcroft on the board of directors, so he has some friends in the geopolitical big-time. He knows Bill Clinton and the Bushes [the elder anyway] and Al Gore. He thinks of customers first and the concept of service, and not in the pathetic cliche style of business school where they give it lip service. It impressed me how he would answer a question about something and immediately started at the customers' needs. Engineers start at first principles and deal in causal relationships and boundary conditions. He knows intuitively that the place to start is where the impetus to success comes from, which is in the customers' minds. As President of the USA, he'd look for where success would come from, which would be with the interests of citizens of the world, not simply the USA. He wouldn't be egocentrically powerful like some Roman Emperor, running a PNAC. But, ironically, he'd end up far more powerful than any Force of Arms emperor such as Ghengis Khan. I don't know whether he'd want the job. Mqurice