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To: cnyndwllr who wrote (135628)	6/4/2004 4:17:20 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

cnyndwllr, The Israelis obviously do "care" about the death of civilians because if they didn't they could have just adopted Russian methods and flattened Jenin or Gaza City with artillery. So, the question is not, do they "care" but do they care "enough" for your taste? Clearly not. You think it's terrible that they ever kill Palestinian innocents. I think it's terrible too, but not so terrible that they should make the other choice - leave the Hamas leaders alone with their foolproof shield of innocents, and let Israeli children die instead. Make no mistake, that is the choice they face. What would you do in their stead?

To: cnyndwllr who wrote (135628)	6/4/2004 5:19:39 PM
From: Ilaine	Respond to of 281500

There are many things that the Israelis have done that I disapprove of, and not just me, lots of people. And there are many things that the Palestinians have done that I disapprove of, and not just me, lots of people. Having said that. My point isn't that Palestinians are good or bad. My point isn't that Israelis are good or bad. Having said THAT. My point is that Sarman only cares about his tribe, his pack, his own people. From an anthropological perspective, this is a totally normal way of looking at the world. For people who, for whatever reason, learning, ability, expectations, whatever, see the world differently, it's somewhat jarring, and certainly not normal when talking about foreign affairs at an abstract level. It's interesting to see, of course, but it just doesn't add much to the discussion of how to solve the problem when so many of the participants in the conflict, on both sides, see things as a zero-sum game for their tribe. He's not part of the solution, is one way of putting it.