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Politics : Don't Blame Me, I Voted For Kerry -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: zonkie who wrote (28512)	6/4/2004 9:04:27 PM
From: Bearcatbob	Respond to of 81568

zonkie, When I went to bed last night there was no link. During the day I am one of the Americans who work for a living. I will try to see what one of the "boat load" of links you chose from.

To: zonkie who wrote (28512)	6/4/2004 9:09:41 PM
From: Bearcatbob	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 81568

Well Zonkie I asked you to provide links - plural. You have posted one. That is better than nothing. I guess you admit that the military must have voted against algore. Just like they will vote against kerry. I agree - today - sometime - you posted one link - from the boat load!

To: zonkie who wrote (28512)	6/4/2004 9:33:25 PM
From: Bearcatbob	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 81568

zonkie, The Miami Herald researched your claims. Here is what they had to say: pbs.org MEDIA RECOUNT: BUSH WON THE 2000 ELECTION April 3, 2001 An Online NewsHour Report More than three months after Democrat Al Gore conceded the hotly contested 2000 election, an independent hand recount of Florida's ballots released today says he would have lost anyway, even if officials would have allowed the hand count he requested. The Miami Herald USA Today In the first full study of Florida's ballots since the election ended, The Miami Herald and USA Today reported George W. Bush would have widened his 537-vote victory to a 1,665-vote margin if the recount ordered by the Florida Supreme Court would have been allowed to continue, using standards that would have allowed even faintly dimpled "undervotes" -- ballots the voter has noticeably indented but had not punched all the way through -- to be counted. The study, conducted by the accounting firm of BDO Seidman, counted over 60,000 votes in Florida's 67 counties, tabulating separate vote totals in several standards categories. While the USA Today report focused on what would have happened had the Florida Supreme Court-ordered recount not been halted by the U.S. Supreme Court, the Herald pointed to one scenario under which Gore could have scored a narrow victory -- a fresh recount in all counties using the most generous standards. In their reports, the newspapers assumed counts already completed when the court-ordered recount was stopped would have been included in any official count. Thus, they allowed numbers from seven counties -- Palm Beach, Volusia, Broward, Hamilton, Manatee, Escambia and Madison -- to stand, but applied the most inclusive standards to votes in the rest of the state. If those numbers did not stand, the Herald reported, a more generous hypothetical revisited recount would have scored the White House for Gore -- but with only a 393-vote margin. Under most other scenarios, the papers reported, Bush would have retained his lead. The newspapers' review did not include the approximately 110,000 "overvotes" -- ballots cast for more than one candidate. Both papers are planning a separate analysis of overvote numbers next month. Early reaction Neither President Bush nor former Vice President Gore have thus far commented on the recount's results. But according to White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, Mr. Bush has put the close election behind him. "The president believes, just as the American people do, that this election was settled months ago," he told the Herald. "The voters spoke and George W. Bush won." But former Gore campaign spokesman Doug Hattaway, now working as a Democratic consultant in Boston, said Mr. Gore would have captured the White House had voters' true intentions been determined. "What this shows is that if you count the voter's intent, Gore wins," he told the Associated Press. "If you look for excuses not to count votes, Bush does better." In all, the newspapers' recount cost more than $500,000 and employed 27 accountants. Another recount of all Florida votes -- including both under- and overvotes -- is still in the works under the eye of a consortium of media organizations, including The Associated Press, The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal and CNN. That review, conducted by the Chicago-based National Opinion Research Center, is due out next month.