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To: Jamey who wrote (37543)	6/5/2004 10:33:35 PM
From: rrufff	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

What an absurd post. Do nothing against terrorists. Wait for another 9/11. Blame victims for terror. Blame the Jews for everything. Seig Heil - brother Santiago.

To: Jamey who wrote (37543)	6/5/2004 10:46:02 PM
From: Berry Picker	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

RE>>> I would like to have a better understanding why Martin Luther said such terrible things against the Jews when he did so many great things for Christianity. Are they as bad as he relates them to be? <<< James - as most people who lived when Luther lived Martin was a futurist who believed Christ would return yet a third time somewhere future to his own time. A "second second coming" if you will. This understanding meant that the "fulness of the gentiles" had not yet happened and many worked fervently to that end. (not a bad fruit) Although false teaching may in fact produce some good fruit I have yet to see false teaching that did not promote some very bad fruit at one point or another. Since the "fulness of the gentiles" was not yet accomplished that meant that the Jews were yet the "enemies of Christ" There can be no other conclusion when you have such wrong presuppositions.... Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. Paul cautions Gentile believers not to be proud of themselves as having done something of value toward faithfulness in Christ above what the Jewish nation was doing BECAUSE it was God Himself who was causing that blindness - to an end - for their sake. At that moment in time God was calling many Gentiles to faith and yet very very few Jews. Paul repeats this sovereign call of God in this verse: Romans 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers’ sakes. 29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. Martin Luther believed that God was yet blinding Jews for the sake of the gentiles even in his own time - an unfortunate misunderstanding to say the least. Luther also failed to resist boasting against the "natural branches" Luther got so carried away with the concept of them being "enemies" that he went on to assert that they should not even enjoy basic human rights - a ridiculous concept void fo the love of God that men are to have even to their "enemies" Luther maintain that Jews should not be allow to own anything nor to be allow jobs or to walk on public streets. The truth is that even today most Jews are enemies of Christ but so are all the other cults on this earth - they are no friends to Christ or Christians - just look at the defensive nonsense about the movie "The Passion" They use the term "anti-semitic" as a trump card upon anyone who objects to anything Israel is doing - it is ridiculous. People are afraid to speak against them as a people. The truth is that Paul fully expected the fullness of the gentiles in his lifetime and during his ministry and expect that to provoke many of his contemporary (then living) Jewish brethren to be provoked to examine the truth about Christ seeing the mighty move of the Holy Ghost among the Gentiles - that happened Paul was not just hoping against hope in his flesh. Romans 11:14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them. Romans 11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: 31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. 32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. 33 ¶ O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! Paul expect those who were in unbelief to also enjoy the wonders of the mercy of God - to the extend that Paul deeply praises God in his spirit - Paul did not expect Jews yet future to us to enjoy mercy because of the unbelief of Jews living in his lifetime. Futurism - such utter foolishness - and the fruit of it for Luther is to Christians everywhere a shame and ugly scar upon the face of historical Christianity. Luthers book "The Jews and their Lies" was a key book used to justify the Nazi crimes and genocide under the guise of sanction from God Himself - Hitler believed himself to be a Christian man. Futurism and the holocaust were philosophically joined at the hip. Brian P.S. I ordered the DVD's - I will let you know if they are any good.

To: Jamey who wrote (37543)	6/6/2004 6:26:07 AM
From: haqihana	Respond to of 39621

James, All Martin Luther ever did, was break away from the Catholic church. Sure, it needed to be done, but anyone could have done it. If you have ever been to a Lutheran church service, you will see that he didn't stray very far from the ritualism of the Catholics. Probably, the only reason he broke away, was because he wanted to be Pope.

To: Jamey who wrote (37543)	6/6/2004 12:11:38 PM
From: Sidney Reilly	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

What is a war against terrorism, anyway? There always has to be an enemy. That's how they can keep justifying building the NWO. This new threat of an attack this summer is just another ploy IMO for Bush and Co to keep up there secret dismantling of America and turning it into the land of the unfree. It's telling that the CIA director and the Director of clandestine operations are both resigning this summer (in a few weeks). Are they resigning because of an impasse with Bush & Co? Is this new threat of a terrorist attack so transparent they won't be a party to it anymore? And Bush is not even going to try to appoint new directors before the election. I suspect that is because too much attention would be drawn to questions Bush doesn't want asked when his election hangs in the balance. Are these resignations a silent protest against Bush and his policies? I suspect they are. It's too bad you have such a convoluted interpretation of the Bible otherwise you might be able to see the things happening today in their proper light. Not as the blind guides of the blind who flock to Church every Sunday who support Bush and beat their war drums. I can't believe how deceived the Church is today. it seems like it should not even be possible to deceive so many at once. But it does say Satan will deceive the nations. That's a lot of people.