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Politics : GOPwinger Lies/Distortions/Omissions/Perversions of Truth -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Selectric II who wrote (14296)	6/5/2004 11:23:07 PM
From: Kevin Rose	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 173976

The Soviet Union was destined for failure because it used an inherently flawed economic model. Conditions in the Soviet Union were terrible for decades, but the spectre of the 'evil American empire', along with the secret police, gulags, and murder, kept the people in line. When the Soviet people finally got a glimpse of how it really was in the West, they pushed the wall down themselves. Reagan delayed this fall with his sword rattling. The Soviet hard liners had a convenient danger in Reagan's threats to hold over the Soviet people. Gorbachev was the real reason that the USSR fell. Reagan's legacy is that he was...glib.

To: Selectric II who wrote (14296)	6/6/2004 1:10:37 AM
From: shadowman	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 173976

The defeat of the Soviet Union. A myth perpetuated by the right. Helped along with the faulty economic and military estimates from our intelligence community. The "defeat" of the Soviet Union was an evolutionary process much like what is happening in China. Who gets "credit" for the changes in China? Tom Delay?<g> Oh I forget, Richard Nixon, probably another hero of yours. Ted Kennedy gave a speech in 1969 calling for opening up relations with China...maybe he should get credit? As far as the "defeat" of the Soviet Union, I like to think it was due to their own fiscal and military incompetence. After all they chose to spend an exorbitant amount of their nation's wealth on defense...and also got themselves involved in a losing war inside of a Muslim country. Gee! that sounds familiar. While "we" (Carter/Reagan) chose to fund their opposition ...the results of that decision are still being played out. Reagan was a great politician. No question about that. I'll leave it with that somewhat oxymoronic "compliment".