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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (135815)	6/6/2004 2:27:54 PM
From: carranza2	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Sincerity is over-rated as a virtue. The suicide bombers are nothing if not sincere. I think dismissing their motives as brain-washing seriously underrates the strength of the ideology that motivates them. I don't know about that. I find it hard to believe that a child would freely choose life over death. We've discussed this before, how Saddam would fund the families, how the parents would be glorified, the kids' memory made a subject of adulation, etc., in short a top-to-bottom culturally validated effort to get the kids to go along with murder and suicide. High level marketing, if you will. If sincerity is involved, it is a manipulated sort of sincerity, one I can't accept as genuine. I think we agree on this point because we've discussed it before. Bad stuff. RC's case is completely different. Her sincerity was not manipulated in the way that the children suicide bombers' is. Plus, to repeat, her death was probably an accident, not a suicide. Anyway, an exhausted subject, I'm letting it go.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (135815)	6/6/2004 3:21:38 PM
From: Dr. Id	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

I think that the problem is to simplistically equate Palistinians and supporters of their cause as "bad" and Israelis or supporters of their cause as "good", or vise versa, is a fatal error. Why can't you give credit to someone who stood up for what she believed in even if you feel that that belief was misguided? If I believe that GW Bush was sincere in his beliefs, as misguided as they are, I'd have more sympathy for him than enmity. However, he's obviously never been sincere about caring about anything beyond Crawford, Texas and profiteering.