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Politics : Should God be replaced? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Greg or e who wrote (17639)	6/7/2004 6:06:56 PM
From: Solon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

I said: "The fact that the most powerful have ultimate say does not indicate on what ethical basis any particular culture or tribe sets standards of behavior."" You said: "Sure it does" You have got to be the biggest time-wasting, mouse-hole runner in the universe with your contrived stupidity. Countries, cultures, and tribes have different forms of government and power structure. Either you believe that each disparate system (King, Queen, Church, Democracy, etc) is created and held by the most powerful or you do not. Even if they do set the standard it does not mean they believe in totalitarianism or Divine Rights of Kings, or anything else in particular. I said that "The fact that the most powerful have ultimate say does not indicate on what ethical basis any particular culture or tribe sets standards of behavior." You see, Greg: It is not necessary to believe in Islam to be powerful; it is not necessary to believe in Yahweh--nor in Kings, Queens, democracy, Marxism, or Anarchy. For centuries the most powerful were superstitious power freaks (most of whom believed nothing of what they were preaching for social control, wealth, and personal gain). In other times and places and cultures we have experienced every variety of "ethical" system imaginable. So stop acting stupid! Sometimes you just seem slow, and sometimes you just seem totally dishonest. "Of course if community standards are the ONLY basis for setting community standards..." Community standards are the result not the basis. The standards are based on community values (Islam, Christianity, democracy, Objectivism--whatever). You are just wasting time with idiotic retorts. "Obviously if murder is objectively wrong then I do not think it is good to do wrong." So the Inquisition with all of those murders was NOT a good thing--regardless of social Conscience or consensus (whichever you ended up at!)?!! (CHUCKLE!) "I'm glad you did not sully the memories of the men who died on the beaches of Normandy by posting such crap on the 60th anniversary of D-Day. They died fighting exactly the type of ideology that you are espousing" You are such a phoney and such a sore (and contemptible) loser. I have never espoused Nazism. Indeed, I am at the farthest remove from it. That was gutless retort, Greg M. "Only an idiot would suggest" that the Nazis and the Allies were moral equals but that is what your metaphor implies" LIAR. I said: "But only an idiot would suggest that most of the killers from clan and country were anything but sincere in their belief that they were doing the good." That simply states that only an idiot would suggest that most of the killers from clan and country were anything but sincere in their belief that they were doing the good. I, of course, gave many examples of native tribes clashing after the winter melt to kill and steal from one another. You have tried to use Nazism to misdirect the poor ignorants and unfortunates whom visit this thread from time to time. But you will ONLY fool the ignorant by contriving such an association which exists nowhere in my posts or in my life. You are a stupid and a mean person just for intentionally pretending such a thing. But back to the point. No, I did not imply ANYTHING about moral equality. YOU, HOWEVER...WERE INSISTING ON IT! I pointed out that history is a record of clashes of culture, country, and politics. I pointed out that people generally think they are doing the right thing (DUH!). I pointed out that IF THEY WERE SINCERE, then your premise that knowledge of right and wrong was "written on their hearts" leads to the inevitable conclusion that MORALITY IS RELATIVE!!! IF morality is ABSOLUTE, and IF it is written upon ALL HEARTS, then ANY clash of moral value represents BOTH dishonesty and EVIL. BOTH (according to your ummmm...theory :-)) are aware of what is the RIGHT. So, at least one of then always had to be CHOOSING wrong! But this flies in the face of thousands (millions) of tribal celebrations praising the good of some warrior who killed or stole from another who was trying to do the same! "Only an idiot would suggest that the Nazi guards who herded the Jews into the gas chambers were anything but sincere in their belief that they were doing the good." I suggest to you that many of them were choosing the practical good (their survival) over the survival of another. But yes...whether they were gung-ho psychotic, or whether they were just choosing their own survival (by following orders, or else) over the survival of another..it is what happens and has always happened in every war. The point is...if only ONE person in all of time was sanely sincere in believing he/she was doing the "good"...while any ONE other person was sanely sincere in believing that such a one was NOT doing the "good", then you theory that ALL people KNOW the good because it is written on their hearts is just too stupid, isn't it!! It doesn't take a rocket scientist! If you can drink out of a dish you should be able to get it! Good Luck! "It sure makes someone look stupid but it's not me!" What a devastating response from you! :-) "LIAR! You did not repeat it, you substituted a previous point in the post which I have already shown to be fallacious several times over." No, you are the LIAR! I repeat it again. It came AFTER your smart-alecky remark that the rest of my post was "bigoted drool"!! It doesn't look like either to me! How are the mouse holes, Oscar! "More of your asinine personal attacks as a substitute for responding to the issues which you clearly have no answer to. But I will repeat the "bigoted" drool for you:" "So you said that the "knowledge of right and wrong" is written on the "hearts of men". I responded to that several times to point out the contradictions--but I have no problem with doing it again. HOW LOGICAL is it to believe that 1,000,000 people wearing one uniform are ALL intentionally evil (even though it is written on their heart what is right) while every single individual of the 1,000,000 wearing the other uniform are all good---in spite of free moral choice??!! Let me help you. According to you, the Christian God has written upon ALL hearts the knowledge of right and wrong? RIGHT? Well--how thick is the bloody handwriting? Muslims are blowing up little children from both sides and Israelis are killing hundreds per month in "collateral" damage. And you sit there giving me smug responses about uniform colours because you cannot get the point?????""