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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: microhoogle! who wrote (581947)	6/10/2004 6:56:56 PM
From: FastC6	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

To which country do you pledge your allegiance?

To: microhoogle! who wrote (581947)	6/10/2004 6:57:33 PM
From: Ann Corrigan	Respond to of 769670

You're not being objective. You condemn hundreds of thousands of magnificent U.S. soldiers for the actions of a handful. Ashcroft's religious beliefs are more strident than mine, but I still prefer him and GW Bush rather than a former soldier, who betrays his comrades by accusing them of atrocities in testimony that he himself has recently characterized as "over the top". Turning traitor on your former friends in order to win an election is the epitome of someone without character or integrity. John Kerry would desert the American people just as easily in order to win the approval of the UN & France.

To: microhoogle! who wrote (581947)	6/10/2004 6:58:23 PM
From: Johannes Pilch	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

I personally want it in place as it provides some level of guarantee against torture against our soldiers... Geneva is effective against torture by America's enemies only in the cases where those enemies embrace it. In this conflict the enemy never has and so claiming Geneva as protection here is just foolish. Geneva aims to bring civility to what is by definition uncivilized. It assumes the combatants involved share a basic sense of decency and self-preservation. In this conflict the enemy is willing to murder himself if it will take America down. Geneva does not really apply here. America's enemy is not an equal combatant, but a monster, a demon who, unlike America, wrings his hands about no evil that he causes. There is only one reason to abide by Geneva here, and it has nothing to do with any fool's hope for protection. That reason is that America agreed to abide by it, apparently even in this case. Geneva aims to keep war from the backs of POWs, away from prisons. I appreciate it, want it to work and think its goals are noble. But I think it will ultimately prove as hopeless a treaty as a treaty that makes it illegal to kill in war. War is barbaric. If a nation is going to do it, perhaps it should just be honest about it and do it. (ding!)