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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: tejek who wrote (582080)	6/11/2004 2:01:06 PM
From: Srexley	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769667

"However, my experience is that a lot of people from the left have given up trying to discuss the issues because of past abuse from the right" I've posted here for a few years, and did not get this impression. Mostly started posting on the 2000 election fiasco and saw constant accusations that Bush stole the election. Nobody then, and nobody since has been able to back that up. When I challenge with the issues that need to be answered to back up thier dishonest claim, silence. Same with when I do put out thoughtful posts to the lefties to get a real discussion going. I get compliments from the right on a well laid out post. The guy on the left dissappears. "Criticisms by the left have been greeted with abusive responses and/or complaints of being unAmerican." I don't see this too much. Because I do not see legitimate criticisms. Abusive personal attacks that are unsuported and passed off as "criticism". I for one will never attack an honestly held pov, but when the attack is Bush is a liar, Bush is Hitler, Bush is a racist, etc. with nothing to support, I believe the person is unAmerican. That is not what our country is based on, and not what made it great. "My God, the very lives of the Dixie Chicks were threatened....there were CD burnings throughout the South" Good example. You call them saying they are ashamed to be from the same state as Bush a criticism. I say it is a disrespectful personal attack made worse by being on foriegn soil. Think if someone said that about your dad or someone that you love. Would you view that as criticism of your dad, or a personal insult on your family. I know how I would view it. And I can't support the death threats, but I would say the Dixie Chicks are pretty stupid if they don't think that kind of personal insult against our Commander In Chief at a time of war will piss off some country music fans. I won't buy any more of their cds, and don't listen to the two that I have. Didn't burn them though, so I must be moderate. This is a GREAT example of what the left often refers to as "criticism". "When another poster refuted his claims with some of the facts, his response was that that poster did not deserve to live in America" Then tell the person to 'eff off and move on to another poster. I don't do this. Most on this thread do not. Many lefties come here just to insult Bush, and seem to be professionals at it. "From my experience, the right does not want to be shown that they are wrong" Nobody does. In the case of the war on terrorism, they are right. Worth debate imo. But I feel they are right. Does the left like to be shown that they are wrong? Haven't seen much evidence of that. "The GOP wanted to impeach him because he lied about having sex" To a judge during a legal proceeding against him. It's called perjury, and some think it is a serious issue. "I do not think its grounds for impeachment" You're entitled to your opinion. He was not removed from office, so there are quite a few that think perjury about sex is not impeachable. "I intend to give money to the Dem. [a first] and actively campaign for Kerry.." Probably a waste of money. Save it for some beer for the condolence party :0) "What does the bible say......" Rush and Hannity are not religious shows, although they are religious people. You don't have to listen to them. I don't listen to the haters on the left like Ivins and her ilk. Not going to worry about them too much though. The left seems seriously threatened by the two you mention. My guess is that it is the popularity of them that is bothersome. Some people truly are bothered (as they are) about generally dishonest former President Clinton. "Americans let Bush manipulate them into this war." Bullcrap. History will show that the world, and Iraq are better off without Saddam. Bush is trying to modernize a section of the world that will get more and more violent and desparate if left as is. "In reality, they too rolled over and played dead......both Dems and the GOP" You have a pretty high opinion of your intellect, and not much of an appreciation for others. Bush is not stupid, many in congress are not stupid, and many Americans are not stupid. We believe that dangerous dictators that are in violation of international law that may aid terrorists should be dealt with. Not stupid at all. I would say stupid to let him be. "Iraq is probably the worst one to try and start up an democracy" I disagree. They are one of the most educated. If their diversity can form a democratic system it will show that anyplace can. And they were in violation of international law and the terms of their surrender. Can't just pick and choose to attack anybody. They were a threat also. "Do we have less terrorists?" The world surely will if the civilized folk stick together. Let them be and they multiply. Killing them might make some want to become one, but others may think twice. Particularly if democracy and freedom produce results. We don't have too many terrorists here, because in general people have a lot of opportunity here. Not the case in the ME. "Terrorist attacks are very much on the upswing throughout the entire world." They are actually down if you take out Iraq. And they are getting whipped there. "Calling someone a Bush hater suggests they are irrational and overly emotional" When I do this, the poster has said something that can lead me to no other conclusion.