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Politics : Don't Blame Me, I Voted For Kerry -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: SiouxPal who wrote (30293)	6/12/2004 12:19:09 AM
From: Wayners	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 81568

lol, well I don't think so, however Islam violence is not a new thing. It doesn't excuse other religious violence by now means, however just because other religions have committed violence has no bearing on excusing their own violence over the last 1300 plus years. The difference between Islam and ALL other religions has to do with this command to conquer the world and make everybody Muslims and if they dont' submit...kill them. What kind of "religion" is this? This is like allowing Satanists to capture and sacrifice 13 year old female virgins or something. This is clearly not a valid religion at all.

To: SiouxPal who wrote (30293)	6/12/2004 12:23:54 AM
From: Patricia Trinchero	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 81568

Sioux, It could be said that Christ was a pacifist and that all Christians promote peace in a loving way..............then along comes George Bush and bombs the living he-el-el out of thousands and runs that story into the mud. Islam and Christianity are similar in that there are many different sects. Some are violent and some are peaceful. It's dangerous to pay much attention to the religion of maniacs and try to tie their politics to their actions. I know Moslems that are wonderful people and they condemn the acts of Bin Ladin and other Islamic terrorist groups just like we condemn the acts of the Timothy McVeigh and anti-abortion terrorists.

To: SiouxPal who wrote (30293)	6/12/2004 12:37:11 AM
From: Nicholas Thompson	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 81568

This is Nick's dad. We lived in partly or fully Islamic countries from 1979 to 1989. What I saw as the two main problems in Islam was the money pouring in from Saudi Arabia to pay for mosques and Islamic schools and also the tendency of the followers of the religion to make public displays of piety -- this includes their hiding of the women under various robes. I remember around 1984 complaining to the US deputy chief of mission- #2 after ambassador -about the Saudis. You can guess that was a non-starter . Look at what the Saudis have accomplished; most of the Islamic world is pissed at us; of course our recent policies have made this hate much worse and I can only hope that most Muslims are not so hateful and are not drawn in fully by what the Saudis have been pushing. Too bad Bush is so close to the Saudis and that we have wasted 25 years on questionable energy policies and may come up with even worse policies if this administration has its way.

To: SiouxPal who wrote (30293)	6/12/2004 10:29:45 AM
From: Alan Smithee	Respond to of 81568

Wow! You and I are agreeing on a variety of issues today. Must be because it's the weekend? <ggg>

To: SiouxPal who wrote (30293)	6/12/2004 3:18:28 PM
From: stockman_scott	Respond to of 81568

Film and Election Politics Cross in 'Fahrenheit 9/11' commondreams.org <<...Praising the film's artistic value, Weinstein said he had "shown the movie to people diametrically opposed to its politics who walked away questioning things." "I think it will have a huge influence on people's minds," said Weinstein, who also is a producer of upcoming Los Angeles and New York concerts to raise money for Kerry. "Fahrenheit 9/11" casts a deeply unfavorable light on Bush's handling of the Sept. 11 attacks and the Iraq war, ridiculing him and his top advisors with footage that catches them in embarrassing moments clearly not intended for public viewing. Deputy Defense Secretary Paul D. Wolfowitz uses spit to comb his hair; Bush jovially asks news crews to watch him swing a golf club seconds after sternly calling on the world's nations "to do everything they can to stop terrorist killers." Moore, who closes the film with the message "Do Something," is unabashed about his hope that the film will help dislodge Bush as president. "I hope this country will be back in our hands in a very short period of time," he told hundreds of invited guests at a celebrity-jammed Beverly Hills screening of the film on Tuesday. The screening was part of an ambitious and unusually fast rollout to get the movie into at least 650 theaters on June 25—and possibly several hundred more. "Are we conducting this like a campaign? Yes, we are," Moore said Thursday. "But it's not a campaign for Kerry." How much influence the film might have is a matter of dispute. Bill Carrick, a Democratic campaign consultant, said its effect would be negligible. He likened it to the talk radio shows of Rush Limbaugh and other hosts whose listeners hold firm, unyielding opinions on Bush. "I don't think it's a place where you're going to persuade anybody — a Michael Moore movie," Carrick said. "The audience is too small. It's a self-selecting group of people." But in an election where turning out core constituencies could be crucial to both Kerry and Bush, others see the film as a potent tool for motivating Democrats — especially since Republicans are typically more reliable for showing up at the polls. "Feeling motivated, to the extent you make that extra effort to vote on your way home from work — that matters," said Thomas Hollihan, a communications professor at USC's Annenberg School for Communication. That potential is not lost on Moore, who plans to offer ticket discounts and prizes to newly registered voters who see the film or visit his Web site. "If it can encourage the people who belong to the largest political party in America, the non-voter party, to leave that party behind and do the very minimum of what every citizen should do on Nov. 2, then I hope that will be seen as a significant contribution to this country," he said. A main target of the film is younger voters, who tend to turn out in low numbers. Studies have shown that younger voters increasingly get election information from non-traditional campaign media, such as late-night television comedy shows and the Internet. "For younger people, who may or may not be all that interested in politics, these entertainment formats are a key way to bring them into the political discussion," said Stephen Farnsworth, a political scientist at Mary Washington College in Virginia...>>