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To: i-node who wrote (190360)6/12/2004 2:31:59 PM
From: Thomas M.  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1577883
 
Actually, last time France was invaded, we stood by and did nothing.

Tom



To: i-node who wrote (190360)6/12/2004 2:50:00 PM
From: tejek  Respond to of 1577883
 
I've got to tell you, next time France comes under attack or invasion, I think we and the Brits need to just mine the English Channel and let THEM handle it.

Just the facts please.

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Iraq War Haunts British Labor Party in Local Polls
Tom Rivers


London
12 Jun 2004, 16:17 UTC

British Prime Minister Tony Blair's leadership is again being called into question after his Labor party suffered losses in local council elections in England and Wales.
Prime Minister Blair's decision to take Britain to war in
Iraq is seen as a key factor in the elections.

For the first time in decades, the Labor Party slipped to third place in Thursday's local elections, behind the Conservatives and the Liberal Democrats. Prime Minister Tony Blair acknowledged his decision to join the United States in a war against Saddam Hussein has cost his party votes. But he says his decision was right.

"I think it's a question of holding our nerve and seeing it through and realizing, yes, Iraq has been an immensely difficult decision, but we've got to turn that around and seeing it through," he said.

Labor member of parliament and former Defense Minister Peter Kilfoyle says the message from the voters is clear.

"I suspect that more of our supporters stayed away, despite the raised turnout," Mr. Kilfoyle said. "I think that there were people who were making a conscious decision very often to vote against the government on the Iraq war, but on what they see as the increased estrangement, the disengagement, of the government from their concerns."

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To: i-node who wrote (190360)6/12/2004 3:42:13 PM
From: tejek  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1577883
 
""I don't know if I've ever seen a campaign have somebody who was in charge of overseeing polling and at the same time play this public of a role," said Charles Cook, the editor of The Cook Political Report, a nonpartisan political newsletter, and also a connoisseur of the fine points of polling. That Mr. Dowd does play this role underscores just how much Mr. Bush's campaign believes public polls can affect public perceptions of the race and help shape its contours even five months before Election Day."

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POLITICAL MEMO

Bush Aide Watches Polls and Public Perceptions

By JIM RUTENBERG

Published: June 12, 2004

Matthew Dowd, President Bush's chief campaign strategist, is not just the man who conducts the president's polling. He also works to control public perceptions about where the presidential race stands, perhaps more aggressively than many other campaign aides in his position.

When Mr. Bush has risen sharply in the polls, Mr. Dowd has stepped in pre-emptively with memorandums widely sent to Republican officials, supporters and journalists to dampen expectations and warn that the country remained closely divided. "President Bush's approval numbers will again fall back to more realistic levels fairly quickly," he wrote in a publicly released memo when the President had particularly high ratings after major combat operations ended in Iraq last spring.

When campaign officials worry public polls make the President's situation look too grim, Mr. Dowd also steps in, most vociferously when he believes the grimness to be in error. The most recent example of that came this week, when a new poll from The Los Angeles Times showed Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts leading President Bush among registered voters by seven percentage points - a lead just beyond the poll's margin of error. Mr. Dowd publicly and sharply called the poll a "mess," prompting a public spat with the news organization's polling director about the nitty-gritty of polling methodology.

To be sure, polls are often the blood that flows through the body politic, helping set perceptions about the state of a campaign, and the Kerry camp also frequently sends out memorandums, usually to reporters, that try to put public polls in the most favorable terms. In one of his commercials Mr. Kerry, the Democratic presidential contender, even says that the nation is going "in the wrong direction," picking up the language of a standard survey question used to measure public discontent in what seemed at least in part devised to get voters to say the same thing to pollsters.

Still, analysts said, Mr. Dowd is exceptional. They described him as creating a new role for a presidential campaign as an expert polling director offering a more aggressive running commentary on the various public polls, one that often goes out not just to reporters, but also to Web sites and to six million supporters via e-mail.

"I don't know if I've ever seen a campaign have somebody who was in charge of overseeing polling and at the same time play this public of a role," said Charles Cook, the editor of The Cook Political Report, a nonpartisan political newsletter, and also a connoisseur of the fine points of polling. That Mr. Dowd does play this role underscores just how much Mr. Bush's campaign believes public polls can affect public perceptions of the race and help shape its contours even five months before Election Day.

Mr. Dowd says he is simply, to a large extent, working to correct a campaign scorecard - likely to get endlessly amplified in these days of the 24-hour news cycle - that he sees as occasionally marred by flawed polls biased against his candidate. His goal, he says, is to prevent the demoralization of the faithful upon whom the campaign is counting to rally friends and neighbors.

"I just want to make sure people have a realistic view," said Mr. Dowd, whose official title is "chief strategist," in an interview Friday. "There are highs that are going to go down, there are lows that are going to go up. I'm not just trying to argue with news that is perceived as bad - I'm trying to argue against wrong news, good or bad, like a newspaper journalist might."

Underlying the strategy is the belief among political strategists with both parties that poll results can become self-fulfilling prophecies, contributing greatly to the direction of a campaign by causing enthusiasm or demoralization.

Mr. Dowd said perceptions that the president's poll standing was poor, for instance, could lead the news media to constantly cover the president in an unduly negative light. "You don't want to let a bad poll stand so somehow in the coverage, no matter what happened, the president is still behind," he said.

Democrats said the Bush campaign's attention to poll results undercut the president's oft-stated assertion that his administration is less concerned with polls than those of past presidents. Some said that it also indicated that Mr. Bush's campaign aides were more concerned about his recent standing with voters than they were willing to admit.

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