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To: Ilaine who wrote (136395)6/12/2004 2:45:37 PM
From: KyrosL  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Yes, Saddam was a fool. But you have to remember that at the time he was our friend. He thought he could get away with it, just like he got away with gassing the Kurds.



To: Ilaine who wrote (136395)6/12/2004 7:42:46 PM
From: cnyndwllr  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
As you say, the American ambassador's comments were ambiguous, therefor Saddam has only himself to blame for not pressing for clarification.....Intepreting ambiguous statements to suit your purposes is a paradigm example of childishly self-serving activity, and no way to conduct something as serious as war.

Cobalt, you're a lawyer. You know that ambiguity depends not only on the words but also the context within which the words were spoken as well as the customs of the speakers. In matters of subtle statesmanship where deniablility is always an issue and where, as in that instance, those speaking were clearly creating an unwritten "understanding," the words were about as clear as they could be.

We certainly weren't telling him that he couldn't go in. We certainly weren't asking him to clarify whether he meant all or part of Kuwait, we certainly weren't telling him we thought it was any part of our business; so what is it you think we were telling him?

I don't think it's enough for us to be able to later say; "Neener neener, we left ourselves a technical out." In the context of that conversation, with the troops massed on the border and with his statement of intent our statement and our response that it wasn't our business, we look like fools for claiming we didn't give him a green light.

It seems we've been prepared to sacrifice a lot of Arabs, including Kuwaitis, in order to find that purported excuse to control Iraqi, and thereby Gulf, oil. The pattern is there and you have the mind to see it, but you won't, YET. Someday I suspect that the "inside story" will be revealed and when that happens I suspect you won't be happy about trusting too much in people who told the truth too little.

APRIL GLASPIE TRANSCRIPT

Yes, remember April Glaspie and her amazing stint at Middle East diplomacy?

Saddam-Glaspie meeting

Transcript of Meeting Between Iraqi President, Saddam Hussein and U.S. Ambassador to Iraq, April Glaspie. - July 25, 1990 (Eight days before the August 2, 1990 Iraqi Invasion of Kuwait)

July 25, 1990 - Presidential Palace - Baghdad

U.S. Ambassador Glaspie - I have direct instructions from President Bush to improve our relations with Iraq. We have considerable sympathy for your quest for higher oil prices, the immediate cause of your confrontation with Kuwait. (pause) As you know, I lived here for years and admire your extraordinary efforts to rebuild your country. We know you need funds. We understand that, and our opinion is that you should have the opportunity to rebuild your country. (pause) We can see that you have deployed massive numbers of troops in the south. Normally that would be none of our business, but when this happens in the context of your threat s against Kuwait, then it would be reasonable for us to be concerned. For this reason, I have received an instruction to ask you, in the spirit of friendship - not confrontation - regarding your intentions: Why are your troops massed so very close to Kuwait's borders?

Saddam Hussein - As you know, for years now I have made every effort to reach a settlement on our dispute with Kuwait. There is to be a meeting in two days; I am prepared to give negotiations only this one more brief chance. (pause) When we (the Iraqis) meet (with the Kuwaitis) and we see there is hope, then nothing will happen. But if we are unable to find a solution, then it will be natural that Iraq will not accept death.

U.S. Ambassador Glaspie - What solutions would be acceptab le?

Saddam Hussein - If we could keep the whole of the Shatt al Arab - our strategic goal in our war with Iran - we will make concessions (to the Kuwaitis). But, if we are forced to choose between keeping half of the Shatt and the whole of Iraq (i.e., in Saddam s view, including Kuwait ) then we will give up all of the Shatt to defend our claims on Kuwait to keep the whole of Iraq in the shape we wish it to be. (pause) What is the United States' opinion on this?

U.S. Ambassador Glaspie - We have no opinion on your Arab - Arab conflicts, such as your dispute with Kuwait. Secretary (of State James) Baker has directed me to emphasize the instruction, first given to Iraq in the 1960's, that the Kuwait issue is not associated with America. (Saddam smiles)

On August 2, 1990, Saddam's massed troops invade and occupy Kuwait. _____

Baghdad, September 2, 1990, U.S. Embassy

One month later, British journalists obtain the the above tape and transcript of the Saddam - Glaspie meeting of July 29, 1990. Astounded, they confront Ms. Glaspie as she leaves the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad.

Journalist 1 - Are the transcripts (holding them up) correct, Madam Ambassador?(Ambassador Glaspie does not respond)

Journalist 2 - You knew Saddam was going to invade (Kuwait ) but you didn't warn him not to. You didn't tell him America would defend Kuwait. You told him the opposite - that America was not associated with Kuwait.

Journalist 1 - You encouraged this aggression - his invasi on. What were you thinking?

U.S. Ambassador Glaspie - Obviously, I didn't think, and nobody else did, that the Iraqis were going to take all of Kuwait.


Journalist 1 - You thought he was just going to take some of it? But, how could you? Saddam told you that, if negotiations failed , he would give up his Iran (Shatt al Arab waterway) goal for the Whole of Iraq, in the shape we wish it to be. You know that includes Kuwait, which the Iraqis have always viewed as an historic part of their country!
Journalist 1 - American green-lighted the invasion. At a minimum, you admit signaling Saddam that some aggression was okay - that the U.S. would not oppose a grab of the al-Rumeilah oil field, the disputed border strip and the Gulf Islands (including Bubiyan) - the territories claimed by Iraq?

(Ambassador Glaspie says nothing as a limousine door closed behind her and the car drives off.)


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