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Politics : Should God be replaced? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: booters who wrote (17816)	6/13/2004 8:35:55 PM
From: exdaytrader76	Respond to of 28931

hawking.org.uk God still has a few tricks up his sleeve.

To: booters who wrote (17816)	6/14/2004 5:11:10 PM
From: Solon	Respond to of 28931

If we understand change as a proxy for action, then your question really reduces to why does change occur. You then assume that a determined outcome is a discreet finality to the action or change which created it. However, unless we are talking of the ultimate end of all action or change, then we must appreciate that "outcome" is always understood to be incremental. The universe is a whole, and as long as any change in energy affects one part...it affects the whole. So there is no "final outcome" of any one part, there is only ONE outcome. And that ONE will be when ALL energy {and thus all change} has been terminated. In other words we don't know if there is such a thing as a final outcome or a discreet beginning. We don't know. Naturally, all conditional beings and "parts" end, but only if a FINAL outcome can be necessarily related to a discreet beginning can determinism be said to be sensible. Nor do we know if desire and mind do not in some unknown way fall outside of a mechanistic determinism. But it does appear that the uncertainty principle is sufficient to prove that the future is uncertain. Certainly...if I randomize a computer to kick out one of 100 trillion actions to be performed, and if I am then able to take that one randomly invoked action and fulfill it in 6 months time by an act of desire and will...it would indicate that if one wishes to argue against free will, then one must argue for a romantic type of predestination. ONLY if I had free will could I fulfill the requirements of such a random test, unless...NOT ONLY THE SO CALLED RANDOM ROLL BUT ALSO MY CERTAINTY OF FULFILLING IT WERE PREDETERMINED. This strikes me as ludicrous which is why I believe in free will. To deny that choices cannot be randomized is just too weird for me. I am a professional gambler in a sense...so I ought to know something about it. Now how is that for arrogance?** All I need now is a sawdust floor and an altar...and something that bleeds. aip.org This, however, may provoke some thought and imagination: georgetown.edu georgetown.edu

To: booters who wrote (17816)	6/15/2004 9:48:21 AM
From: 2MAR$	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

Does a butterfly flapping its wings off a plant in Brazil , cause a tornado in Texas ? some good links here : fortunecity.com Another good one to think about , is the declining strength in the earth's magnetic fields . We know the poles have shifted before, and that there are reverse anomolies beginning and a rapid decline of the field occurring in the last 300yrs ... Mars has no magnetic field, and lost it perhaps billions of years ago as the core solidified ? The exposure to the solar winds from that thought to have caused the loss of the water and atmosphere once believed to have existed there. They have come up with some pretty interesting theories and models to understand the start-up and dynamics of the life of our own magnetic field , which repels the charged solar particles being thrown out in huge quatities from the sun. By some measurements , it does look as though we are getting ready to do another magnetic pole-flip approaching soon , and they do believe this has happened many times before .But not to worry too much , for the relative short exposure to gamma rays and the solar winds as the poles colapse shouldn't cause too much disturbance or atmosphere loss as they realign themselves again in reverse polarity . Our core is cooling at the rate of 100 degrees every billion yrs , so we should have along ways to go before we lose the field itself entirely . But the lack of a magnetic field to repel the billions of tons of Solar material the Sun throws out in constant eruptions will make quiet an ongoing light show all over the the skies of the earth someday ...and could be quite a light show to be seen everywhere in all skies. Imagine looking up in central park and looking up and seeing this , or down in Miami beach night after night ...very possible some day this will be the case for a brief interval of geologic time: virtual.finland.fi I'm sure many will think it is the second coming of Jesus , magnetism is such a beautiful thing ! ;-)