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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (136646)	6/14/2004 5:36:12 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

<only in France did we see a poll taken where 30% of the French people actually wanted to see Saddam Hussein prevail over US and coalition forces.> How many of those who answered were Moslem? Half? Mq

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (136646)	6/14/2004 5:39:52 PM
From: Lou Weed	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

<<But only in France did we see a poll taken where 30% of the French people actually wanted to see Saddam Hussein prevail over US and coalition forces.>> What percentage of the French backed America on 9/12/2001???? Why did it change so much in such a short time?!?!? A hypothetical situation......if the French were in a conflict right now, what percentage of Americans do you think would like to see their enemy prevail?? Just playing Devil's advocate. MON.

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (136646)	6/14/2004 6:56:46 PM
From: Noel de Leon	Respond to of 281500

from a link in one of your sources: metafilter.com about half way down I found this. emmanuelle.net "Frenchies, sortez les parapluies: la blogosphere américaine s'enflamme après lecture d'un article du Time de Londres, rapportant selon Buzzmachine, cité par Instapundit, que un tiers des Français "désirent absolument une victoire de Saddam sur la coalition." / Frenchies, open your umbrellas: The American blogosphere is getting inflamed. Buzzmachine and Instapundit mention an article of the Time of London, paraphrasing a poll in Le Monde by saying that "a third [of the French] desire outright Iraqi victory over 'les anglo-saxons.'” Please! Je lis le même sondage à la source, et 1. on remarque qu'il manque la question. 2. La réponse est que 25%, donc un quart des sondés, pas un tiers, disent qu'ils se sentent "plutôt du côté de l'Irak." PLUTOT du côté de l'Irak. Ce, venant d'un pays ou 4 habitants sur 5 désapprouvent l'intervention américaine et britannique en Irak. Ce qui veut dire pour moi qu'ils se sentent plutôt du côté de ceux en train de se faire attaquer injustement à leurs yeux. Oui, oui, la fameuse affection des Français pour les opprimés, ceux que l'on donne perdants etc. On en pense ce qu'on veut, mais en aucun cas cela veut dire qu'un tiers des Français veulent rageusement la victoire de ce monstre de Saddam. Allons! MISE-A-JOUR: une source au Monde me dit que la question était: "Dans ce conflit, vous sentez-vous plutôt du côté des Etats-Unis et des Anglais .../... plutôt du côté de l'Irak". 34% des sondés ont répondu "plutôt du côté des Etats-Unis", 25% "plutôt du côté de l'Irak"; 31% ont répondu "aucun des deux" alors que cette réponse n'était pas suggérée et 10 ne se sont pas prononcés." / Please! I read the same poll at the source , and 1) the question is missing. 2) the answer is that 25% -- a quarter, not a third -- say that they feel "more on the side of Iraq." MORE on the side of Iraq. This, coming from a country where 4 out of 5 inhabitants disapprove of the U.S. and British intervention in Iraq. Which to me means that just 25% of the French feel more on the side of those being attacked in a war that 80% of the French feel is unjustified. Yes, I know, the famous French empathy for the underdogs and victims, etc. So, think what you want, but to me this poll in no way means that a third the French are actually rooting for the victory of this monster Saddam. Come on!! UPDATE: a source at Le Monde tells me that the questions was: "In tis conflict, do you feel rather on the side of the U.S. and the U.K. .../... or rather on the sidel of Irak". 34% of the people polled answered "rather on the side of the U.S. ", 25% "rather on the side of Iraq"; 31% answered "none of them" even though this answer was not suggested and 10% didn't answer." Ensuite, 34% des sondés sont "plutôt du côté des Etats-Unis et des Anglais" et 31 % proches de ni l'un et ni l'autre. Donc une forte majorité est pour ou indécise. Ce serait bien si on pouvait faire la trêve de déformation des propos de Chichi et de tout ce qui est en provenance de la France. Le premier ministre français est le premier à demander aux Français à ne pas sombrer dans l'anti-américanisme et à ne pas se tromper d'ennemi. PS: quoiqu'il en soit, Jeff Jarvis et Instapundit sont en ce moment même sur CNN pour parler des warblogs, et c'est génial de voir de les voir en action expliquer le phénomène aux journalistes. /Moroever: 34% of the polled say they are "more on the side of the U.S. and G.B.," and 31% feel close to neither. So a large majority is either for, or undecided. If only we could agree on a truce on the misinterpretation of Chirac's words, and the distortion of everything coming from France, that would be nice. The French PM is the first to warn the French against anti-Americanism, and asked specifically that they not confuse who the enemy is." Much ado about....