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To: carranza2 who wrote (50636)	6/17/2004 11:36:19 AM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793970

"But we are getting on track as it appears that the insurgents are slowly losing. Zarqawis recent plea to OBL had the ring of truth to it--he essentially admitted that the insurgency is getting slowly crushed. Iraqis will turn against the insurgents as the carnage they cause causes more and more death and destruction. Like anyone else, they want a return to normalcy. We are offering peace and a reconstruction, the insurgents are simply offering Iraqis a religious dictatorship instead of Saddam's secular one. " You sure? Zaquawis plea was sometime ago and they seem have gotten the insurgency off the ground in spite of the fact we knew what was coming. "Iraqis will turn against the insurgents"--perhaps but not until they are sure they will be on the winning side when they do. This is all about retribution for those on the wrong side. I agree most iraqis want the terrorists gone but also will not stick their necks out one bit. Same folks dance on our tanks when they are destroyed just as they cheered for saddam when in their interest. As far as saddam being a buyer of wmd, so is syria, so is iran, so are many other nations. I think we had a year to wait before we did iraq and in that year we could have won the battle for south asia and perhaps even wiped out central al quaeda. If done first, they (al q) would not have had this recruitment boom in iraq while bragging about surviving US in afganistan and pakistan. mike

To: carranza2 who wrote (50636)	6/17/2004 11:40:12 AM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793970

C2, Do you think insurgency changes direction after 7/1 handover? Al Sadr going political is a good thing. Are there any fighters in iraq who are not al quaeda owned who may look to participate after 7/1? mike

To: carranza2 who wrote (50636)	6/17/2004 1:46:23 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 793970

We had to get rid of Saddam before he bought WMD on the black market thereby giving him the potential... I understand that point but it still seems shaky to me. By that reasoning, it would be even more important for us to take Iran right now. I don't see that in the works. Why does that principle apply only to Iraq? Because it's a rationalization, not a reason, that's why. The lack of a 9/11 connection does not bother me--it was, by the way, never used as a justification for the war by the Bush Administration, the Lying Left Media's attempts to reconstruct history notwithstanding. I don't expect folks to ever change their positions on this but I feel like I have to challenge it every now and again just for ballast. They may not have said it straight out but they sure implied it, particularly with the mushroom cloud reference, and, when polls showed half the country believing that it was Iraqis on those planes, they did nothing to disabuse folks of it probably because it helped their case for war. So they are at a minimum responsible for perpetuating the "misunderstanding." Going to war sooner rather than later minimized the risks of doing so later. That depends. If your homeowner or dental insurance covers replacements but not maintenance, then it may be better to wait until you need an overhaul. Likewise if you wait with Iraq until it's clear to world what is clear to you, you get support rather than condemnation. This is say that your rationale is wrong, only to assert that all this is arguable, not as clear cut as you assert.