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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (190725)	6/17/2004 11:41:33 AM
From: Thomas M.	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1575420

Hence the label "neocon," which has come to mean someone so far right of the political spectrum that he or she can't be considered a plain old conservative anymore. I'm trying to decide if you are naive or downright dishonest. The term Neoconservative was coined because this group of people started out as liberals, then became conservatives. They were Trotskyites, then Democrats, now Republicans. Neocons are being seen as extremists because their philosophy is being examined closely for the first time. The Neocons have always been VERY extreme hawks on foreign policy. However, they used to slink around in the shadows, so they weren't studied very closely. The light of day is turning out to be very harsh for the Neocons. Tom

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (190725)	6/17/2004 11:55:44 AM
From: Thomas M.	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1575420

As the Cold War was winding down in the 1970s, the Neocons were feverishly trying to keep it going. They even formed "Team B", an alternate intelligence group which thought the CIA wasn't being hawkish enough toward the Soviets. This is almost exactly the same as the recent Office of Special Plans, which fabricated the phony threat of Saddam. thebulletin.org intellit.muskingum.edu blog.lewrockwell.com Message 20222838 Tom

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (190725)	6/17/2004 12:40:42 PM
From: Road Walker	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1575420

Ten, Tom gave a better description of the neo's than I could. It IS really a separate philosophy than traditional conservatives, with many contradictions from the traditional values. For a while there some were talking about supporting Kerry because he was talking about increasing troop strength in Iraq; their agenda is more important than their party. re: Even Clinton was more moderate than liberal, at least by political necessity. At least some portion of the Democratic party has shifted towards the middle, and I think Kerry is a part of that. "By political necessity", you are probably right. This is politics, not religion; what do you expect? John

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (190725)	6/17/2004 12:57:41 PM
From: SilentZ	Respond to of 1575420

>Why don't liberals want to call themselves liberals? Even Kerry doesn't. I'm a liberal. Proud of it, too. -Z