To: Orcastraiter who wrote (9198 ) 6/17/2004 5:23:31 PM From: Selectric II Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 90947 Your case rested on bs. Orky, I asked you questions about Nixon and his "Checkers" speech because I wanted to give you an opportunity to explain your fabrications about them. You just can't even admit that you made mistakes about when and why Nixon gave the "Checkers" speech, can you? You have to draw it out into a debate, leading one to believe that you deliberately lied and misled about it. Right? OK, I'll educate you a bit, yet again. Contrary to your statements, Nixon didn't give his famous "Checkers" speech after losing ANY campaign. Nixon gave it during the campaign while he was running for Vice President on the Eisenhower ticket on September 23, 1952. americanrhetoric.com Guess what? Nixon won, Orky. virtualology.com Do you see any discrepancy between your fabrications and the real facts? Further, Orky, Nixon was not a sore loser, "not unlike Gore," as you put it, I believe, because he didn't lose the campaign. He won. And he didn't rise like a Phoenix from the ashes after that election during which he gave the "Checkers" speech, because he won the '52 election, and he won re-election, too. virtualology.com Do you see any discrepancy between that fabrication and the real facts? So, to compare Nixon with Gore, and call Nixon a sore loser stemming from the Checkers speech, is to utterly mis-state, mis-represent, and fabricate the facts of history. Now, assuming your dodging response to this will attempt to further confuse and fog the issue by mentioning for the first time the '60 Presidential election against Kennedy, allow me to pre-empt and be the first to bring it up. The Checkers speech had nothing to do with the 1960 election, so it's irrelevant. The "Checkers" speech was delivered in 1952, a full eight (8) years earlier. When Nixon narrowly lost to Kennedy in 1960, many wanted him to demand a recount because of voter irregularities -- tombstones that voted for JFK/LBJ, for starters. The exact opposite of a sore loser (defined as, "Al Gore"), Nixon rejected the idea of demanding a recount and said it would be bad for the country. He took it like a man, the opposite of a sore loser. So, Orky, your revisionist history won't work here. Nor will your dodging, twisting, weaving, subject-changing, or even LOL'ing. You should be apologizing for wasting peoples' time and bandwidth.